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Philipp K
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Hey folks ,
right now I'm developing a new theme around the cups & balls .
As a final load I'm looking for a way to produce some kind of liquids or sand/rice .

So far I have developed 3 different ways to produce these things .
Still I'd like to collect more methods ( ? ) for these productions .

I once saw Gaston perform his Cups & Balls ( wich is one of the greatest I know Smile ) and he produced at the end a cup full o rice .

Any further ideas ?

Best wishes ,
Philipp
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Hi

I have seen full shotglasses.


For rice /sand - make a holder as per "rabbit in the hat) make it out of tissue with a small ring so that as you load you break the tissue and steal the loader bag back - either drop this on the floor or dump it when you get the next load.

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Joe Porper and I are in the final prototype stages of an all new chop cup that SELF LOADS a liquid finish. Uses ordinary objects NO MAGNETIC CUP - an entirely new idea and routine.

NO RUSH, but when it is ready you will be the first to know.
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This is a great idea. There was a chop cup that a fellow in Lousiana made back during the 1970's that did this. I can't recall his name, but he lived in Shreveport, I think.
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For sand or rice, see Elmsley Cups & balls in The Collected Works of..
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Interesting final load.

Get an extra cup - brass type and fill it with molton lead - allow to set.

Then do a cup switch for your final load.

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Don Alan had a great final load of silks, but other items can be sub'd.
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HHmmmmm cool! Now all I need is MOLTEN LEAD! I guess that's easy to find in the UK.
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Liquid are a load that I have beem looking into. my idea is, for the fourth load, show the lemons, and say:

"you know what they say, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade" then produce a shot glass full of lemonade from underneath the stacked cups.

but that was off topic. seeing as I don't know about hat loads and load bags for the cups an balls, I cant realy help, sorry
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On 2004-10-07 22:50, twistedace wrote:
HHmmmmm cool! Now all I need is MOLTEN LEAD! I guess that's easy to find in the UK.


Hi

Easy to do in the USA as well.

Required a steel pan/pot whatever you call them over there your home stove - some lead - about 1lb should do, oven gloves.

Put the pot with the lead in on the stove and heat to (327.5 °C, 600.65 °K, 621.5 °F).

And pour it into the cup.

Allow to cool by itself for about 4 hours then quench.

Ensure that the cup is clean and dry - wear gogles and oven mitts.

Be very very careful.

If no lead get plumbers solder - it comes in bars by weight.

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Lead is very easy to obtain in the US. You can get it from, among other places, reloader's supply houses.

But be warned. Molten lead will actually cause the color of some alloys to change, and if the cup has a lacquer finish, it will burn off.

If you can find some 63/37 solder, that has the lowest melting point of any of the solders. When working with lead, it is absolutely essential to work outdoors in a very well-ventilated area, and, if possible, wear a NIOSH approved filter mask.
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If anyone is going to try this, to avoid molten lead being thrown up into your face make certain that there is no water (not even a drop) in the cup to receive the molten lead. If there is any water, it will instantly turn to steam and the molten metal will be thrown out in all directions.

For best results, the cup should be preheated before pouring the metal into it. This also evaporates any water. The molten lead will flow better if it does not hit a cold cup.

BTW - Do not breathe any of the fumes.

There are better (but not cheaper) solutions to obtaining a solid cup.
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WAT DE!!! Noo you guys cant be serious... y live life so dangerously?? just fill it up with epoxy or something
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On 2004-10-08 02:07, RiserMagic wrote:
If anyone is going to try this, to avoid molten lead being thrown up into your face make certain that there is no water (not even a drop) in the cup to receive the molten lead. If there is any water, it will instantly turn to steam and the molten metal will be thrown out in all directions.

For best results, the cup should be preheated before pouring the metal into it. This also evaporates any water. The molten lead will flow better if it does not hit a cold cup.

BTW - Do not breathe any of the fumes.

There are better (but not cheaper) solutions to obtaining a solid cup.
Jim


Absolutely correct! There are several fellows who make solid "kicker" cups for their sets. Auke Van Dokkum is one of them. The idea of using epoxy or polyester resin also has its own appeal. One thing about it -- you can mix metal with epoxy or polyester resin to give it more weight.

Being involved with reloading, I can attest to everything Jim has said here.
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Philipp K
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So far as I've said I came up with 3 different methods to load liquids , rice or sand

1 . Is a special designed pocket/holder , wich has to be loaded in the cup once and can release either three loads of the same thing ( for example rice , rice & rice ) or three different loads ....... wow .
The best part is , it can release each load one at a time .

2 . Is a self working cup wich can release either one big or two small amounts of liquids (or rice ... or etc ) .
The beauty of this cup is , that it doesn't have to be reloaded , cause it has been preloaded (dos that word exist ? ) .
So as a finale you can produce a lemon and after that without going to your pocket or so , you can produce a full cup of rice (or .... you get the idea )

Pete don't worry , I won't put it on the market ;-) .
I guess yours will be much better when it's finished , like all your props .
Unfortunately I'll never be able to own one of your cups ( I'm 17 and my pocketmoney ........ ) .

And the third method is by far the best .
It's sooooo secret , I will just give you two hints :

1. the cups are regular once , non prepared and clean all the time ( unless they are filled of course ) .

2. There is no body motion at all ( even a person out of the audience can place the cup down and lift it again )

Happy guessing ,
Philipp
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Fill it with wet cement instead of lead.

I used a drum head tube loader for a rice load years ago with flash paper over the end. I made this for a friend who had a small candle burning, so he would use the cup to pass over the candle, like he was going to snuff it out ... but the flash paper would ignite and the rice would drop out of the cup.
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I've used a fourth matching cup preloaded and stored in a routered slot in the bottom of the table. A little tricky to switch out, but almost limitless possibilites. I used coins, rice, sand, ball bearings, ice, live crickets, and glitter. A wand with secret compartment is a possibility. I have also heard of loading from the mat. Where a tube is used to force liquid into the cup from below, while the spectator has their hand on the cup. I don't remember where I read this, but it was an older book. Maybe Dunninger's Encyclopedia? I hope this helps.
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On 2004-10-07 19:22, Pete Biro wrote:
Joe Porper and I are in the final prototype stages of an all new chop cup that SELF LOADS a liquid finish. Uses ordinary objects NO MAGNETIC CUP - an entirely new idea and routine.

NO RUSH, but when it is ready you will be the first to know.


Gadzooks!! I am crushed. I would have thought I would have been the first to know about you doing a new liquid load in a cup!!
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Hmmmm for some reason I'm thinking of a David Williamson routine with a coffee cup right now...it could work! It's initially a small load but if you use two of the gimmicks it could be pretty impressive!
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You mean the routine where he vanishes a fist full of salt and then makes it reappear in a cup that a spectator was holding all the time ?

I don't think the technique is simple/clean enough to use it as a loading method for a Cups & Balls finale .

But you could use it as a sequence or opener for a Cups & Balls routine using coffee cups .
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