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I personally use floral wire and make up my wires a special way. I was just wondering what some of you use when performing.
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Mostly, I use wire but not floral wire. You can buy 100' of thin 25 guage black wire at most hardware stores for less than $2. That makes the loop and is attached to black braided fishing line to the harness.
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When you say braided, do you mean actually physically taking 3 strands of the black F.L. and braiding them, or are you talking about the black line that they sell called braided fishing line?

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Yes, I use both!

If I hook it to a shirt button or stud, I use fishing line. If I bend it around the edge of the coat, I use wire. But the wire I use is black plastic coated copper from Radio Shack.

If I hang it from a table, assistant, etc., I use fishing line.

Exception: when I get a dove from the newspaper, I use wire because I wad the harness up into the newspaper and toss it into a gloves to dove. It is important that it stay one piece! Wire will hold the shape.

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The braided fishing line is the best, it's used for ice fishing.

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I take the floral wire and form my loop and add a little clip that I get from the fishing surplus store and then I paint the entire loop with Rustolium spray rubber. This is great because it holds it's form but, it also stays in place fairly well.

Here is a tip for anyone that uses any type of wire and folds it over there lapel: instead of tape sew a piece of hook to a piece of eye velcro and then sew one side of that to the inside of your jacket. Then you put the wire in place and fold the loose side of the velcro over the wire and it will stay in place very well. The instant that you pull the bird the velcro will break free and vwala a bird. I have been using this method for about 10 years now and it has proven to work very well.

Matthew
Posted: Oct 8, 2004 12:39am
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I forgot to mention that the little clip hooks to the bag or harness.

Matthew
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By braided, I mean already braided fishing line. I don't fold the loop over my lapel. I use a loop holder similiar to the one made by Peter White and the loop just sits along my shirt. I wear a black shirt so it's perfect. I believe Dan still makes a loop holder similar to this as well that works with wire or fishing line.
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There is a material called Sevenstrand cable. It is a braided stainless steel trolling line. It is covered with black plastic covering. It is available in a variety of strengths. Usually 60# is more than enough.

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Hi Matt,

I use wire also, but you probably know that. As many times as we have performed together. Mom sews the soft velcro on my coat and sews a piece of the hard velcro on the wire. That works really good too. Never lost a line. I may try some of the things the other guys have talked about, though.

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Yeah the loop holder that I use is based off of the gimmick made by Peter White, but this version holds both wire and fishing line. There are a few folks on the Café that have it and use it.

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I am glad that my topic was able to bring up a good discussion. There have been some really good ideas in the past couple of days. Keep it up. It is interesting to me to see how other magiancs go about accomplishing the same overall concept.

Matthew
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Something no one mentioned is the difference in the way the load acts with fishing line or wire. What I really like about fishing line is that will swing without having that drawn with a compass look. It is simply more flexible. What I don't like is that it doesn't hold knots well and will sometimes twist. It has some memory. Wire stays put. If you fail to move your hands far enough away from your body, sometimes the wire pulled load will not fall into place. The fishing line one always will.

I never worry near as much about what the audience sees as I do how natural my movements are.

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General Grant's "looper" is a nice little device that helps with the probem of twisting fishing line...although I use strictly wire loops that connect to a catgut line.
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Wire works well but I like the fishing line for the loop better. If you use wire a tip I found works well is to take small safety pin. Cut the head off at the spring hindge. Now you have a pin with a loop. Now take your wire loop and attach it to the loop in the pin before attaching it to your line to your holder.

Now when you place the loop around the color just push the pin in your coat material. It keeps the loop very secure.
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What length do you guys/girls use for your invisible dove harnesses? I find the smaller the better. How do you accomplish not flashing the dove by it being to close to the jacket edge, and having a small length line that won't be so far in the jacket that you can't reach it? Whenever I have performed with an invisible harness I have to have the dove pretty close to the jacket edge. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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The dove does not have to be close to ther coat edge. The line can be any length depending on the routine you are doing. If on a cane, 12" to 15". If using for a balloon 11". Sounds like you have not worked very much with your harness. Experimentation is the best way to find what you need for your trick. Any slack can be taken up by wrapping around the hand. This may require a little finger engagement. Most harnesses come with instructions and the proper length for that persons routine.
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A detailed description of wmhegbli idea of using a pin can be found on Tony Clarks video's. I've used it with success in the past with the only draw back being the pin leaves small thread pulls on the coat. One solution I found was to sew a small square of material inside the coat and push the pin through. The square can be replaced when necessary.
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Gee! I had no knowledge of Tony Clark's video. Found it in another Japanese instruction sheet for a trick.
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In regards to line length: wmhegbli mentioned a great method, the pinky-thumb. This will help take up slack.
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I personally use a fairly long wire, but when the bird is pulled it scrunches up and is darn near invisible.
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