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On 2006-07-06 22:53, Bill Palmer wrote:
I've been doing OOTW for almost 50 years. I figured out a way of setting it up in front of the spectators without their having any idea it was being done. It's so simple that it borders on being a no-brainer.

I start the routine with the statement "People in various parts of the world shuffle the cards differently from other people." And I demonstrate various different "shuffles," most of which are gags. The last shuffle of the series is a slop shuffle, which I call the Chinese shuffle. I use that shuffle to do the necessary separation into the main groups.


Curry himself notes that some performers use the slop shuffle to set up OOTW in his booklet "Out of this World - and Beyond" that I wrote about in my last post.
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What can I say? Great minds think alike! I never saw Out of This World and Beyond.

I wouldn't go into it just using the slop shuffle, though. It isn't motivated. Using the slop shuffle at the end of a string of semi-serious shuffles lays the groundwork for the setup.
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Everyone should check out Derren Brown's ootw on youtube. It's in the form of a living and dead test and stunning.
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"Out of This Universe" is in Close-up Card Magic. It always struck me that it was a cure for a problem that did not really exist. A lot of people have commented that OOTW is not impromptu. That depends entirely upon how you get into the routine.

I've been doing OOTW for almost 50 years. I figured out a way of setting it up in front of the spectators without their having any idea it was being done. It's so simple that it borders on being a no-brainer.

I start the routine with the statement "People in various parts of the world shuffle the cards differently from other people." And I demonstrate various different "shuffles," most of which are gags. The last shuffle of the series is a slop shuffle, which I call the Chinese shuffle. I use that shuffle to do the necessary separation into the main groups. From that, I construct the necessary starting situation for the Curry routine (sans the missed card) with a simple cut. Then I state that I will read their mind and shuffle the cards at the same time. I do one riffle shuffle, push the cards together and go into the Curry routine.


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Phil Thomas of the "Yogi Magic Mart" used to use the slop shuffle followed by the Charlier to accomplish this, I was always amazed at how random and 'sloppy" his slop shuffle looked.
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Phil Thomas of the "Yogi Magic Mart" used to use the slop shuffle followed by the Charlier to accomplish this, I was always amazed at how random and 'sloppy" his slop shuffle looked.

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Now I remember! The "Yogi Magic Mart" is where I bought my copy of "Out of This World and Beyond" back in the 1970's. I seem to remember that I got a nice note from Phil Thomas sometime back then, too, when I inquired about what other Paul Curry books and tricks he might have.
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Does anyone know whether or not the Brad Christian version on Street Magic is actually the U F Grant version?
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Here's another vote for Out of this Universe, by Harry Lorrayne. Derren Brown adds a nice touch to it, in his book, Pure Effect.
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I don't have access to the magic magazines and pamphlets mentioned by others, but what I do have are a couple of books written for laymen and beginners, one by Paul Curry, another by John Scarne. Each takes complete credit for the trick!

Scane's book, "Scarne on Card Tricks" (Dover, 1950) has the trick as #155, the last one in the book, and introduces it like this: "A card trick in which the spectator mysteriously separates the red-face cards from the black-face cards. A top creation by the author, who has kept the method a secret for many years."

Curry's book, "Magician's Magic" (Dover, 1965) in Chapter 13 under the heading "Out of This World", says: "Here's a story about one of my best-known tricks. [Story about Winston Churchill omitted] What follows is an explanation -- appearing in a book for the first time -- of this same red-black trick that so thoroughly and repeatedly baffled Winston Churchill, as well as practically everyone else who has seen it performed. It's known to my friends and to magicians generally as -- Out of This World."
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Getting access to these books is not difficult at all, no matter what part of the world you are in.

The Harry Lorayne book mentioned is very easy to find. Check with http://www.magicbookshop.com .
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I know, I know, you want to keep it to yourself! The best, new, way to learn my Out Of This Universe (and HOW TO SET FOR IT RIGHT UNDER YOUR SPECTATORS NOSES) is in my new book, LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Vol. 1. It is there, re-written, updated, etc., among A FEW HUNDRED OTHER EFFECTS/ROUTINES, among which, is ALSO, my Impromptu Out of This World. Best bargain in magic. HL
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Harry:

I didn't even know it was out. You need to tell us about these things!

BTW, when I got out of magic for about a decade right after I started college, I sold everything I had except for one set of cups and two books.

The cups were that set of Stubby cups on my web site. The books were The Card Magic of LePaul and Close-Up Card Magic.

Good stuff, man!
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I've been telling, screaming, about the treasure trove of LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION for a couple of years now. Where the h*** have you been? Vol. 2 will be out in the fall. HL
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I've been right here. I don't frequent the card forums, though. I do show up on Genii Forum from time to time. At least I did until they made it impossible for me to adjust the text size.

I have difficulty reading the web site, so I don't visit them much any more.
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The description of the original version of OOTW that I have comes from Paul Curry's 1974 booklet Paul Curry Presents. I find it interesting that in an attempt to re-print the original he left an important piece of information out of the text.

Curry writes..."I shall begin with a repeat (except for some minor editing) of the original [1942] instructions.

If you go to the third paragraph under the "method" section, the instructions tell you to pick up the few red cards delt (leaving the guide card) and to place them in the bottom portion of the pack. He never mentions picking up the adtl. black cards at all. If the instructions were followed to a T it would mess up the counting proceedure and injure the effect.

Of couse anyone with common sense would know how to fix the problem, but I bet if a layman who was unfamiliar with the effect were to try it as written, he might get frustrated and just put it down.

I wonder if this mistake was made on purpose to curtail the already over-popular proliferation of the effect.

These are the only instructions I have for the effect. I wonder if earlier or subsequent versions of the effect also contain this missing piece of information?
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"I wonder if earlier or subsequent versions of the effect also contain this missing piece of information?"
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Leslie Claire: "A Good Card Trick" The Magic Wand October 1910 (Paul Curry's solution is dated 1942). The effect is that magician picks out red cards or black cards from a well shuffled deck according to spectator's indication. If spectator says "Red", he correctly picks out a red card, or vice versa.

Any ordinary pack of cards can be used. After sorting out the Black cards from the Red, the Black cards are handed to the audience with a request that they see that they are all Black cards. These are taken back and the Red cards similarly handed over with a like request. Whilst spectator is looking at the Red cards, slightly bridge the Black cards which are held in the hand, and after receiving back the Red cards, all are well shuffled together and in this condition the full pack is placed face downwards on the table. It is now an easy matter to pick out whichever color is called for, as the Black cards are slightly bridged, whilst the Red ones lie flat on the table.

Greg Rostami with his OOTW version called "Cosmos" has smartly combined Curry's and Claire's methods and his handling is probably even better than U. F. Grant's

Since Harry Lorayne seems to deny anyone the right to judge on the basis that none of us knows every variant of the effect (which cannot be argued but should normally include Harry himself), here are my credentials on the effect:

Ackerman, Allan: Lecure notes : "wednesday nights" Allan has a nice handling about how to finish very clean on the Out of this world effect, and the effect his Doc Tarbell on out of this world. & Las Vegas Kardma A-1 MultiMedia, (1994), 176 pages. P. 156 - Out of this World #2000
Ammar, Michael. Easy To Master Card Miracles Volume 9 Impromptu, 1/2 Deck, OOTW Plus (Paul Curry, Harry Lorayne, Aldo Colombini, Michael Ammar) & Exciting World Of Magic: Out of This World (Paul Curry)
Barnowski, Larry. Kindom of the Red Book and DVD
Barradell, Ian. Perfect World. JB Magic DVD
Beam, Steve. Semi Automatic Card Tricks 6 p 76 Curry Recipes, p 76 All is Right With the World (Steve Beam), p 78 World Series Fans (Steve Beam), p 82 World Class Joker (Steve Beam), p 86 Out of this Deck (Boris Wild), p 90 Rack and Bled (Lewis Jones), p 92 World Piece (Steve Beam), p 94 Worldly Processions (Steve Beam)
Beebe, Dr. Raymond L. An Impromptu “Out Of This World”. Hugard’s Magic Monthly & Out Of This World and Back. Hugard’s Magic Monthly
Brown, Derren. Out of this World, explained in Devils Picture Book The Professional Card Repertoire of Derren Brown DVD. & Pure effect Comments on doing the effect with other props than cards
Chanduri, Tony. Cross to the Feminine Side”. Ron Bauer "Private Studies" series (Nick Trost routine.
Chenevière, Stéphane. Altitude. very practical strolling Out of This World version adding a prediction to the colour separation.
Claire, Leslie: A Good Card Trick The Magic Wand October 1910. The effect is that magician picks out red cards or black cards from a well shuffled deck according to spectator's indication. If spectator says "Red", he correctly picks out a red card, or vice versa.
Any ordinary pack of cards can be used. After sorting out the Black cards from the Red, the Black cards are handed to the audience with a request that they see that they are all Black cards. These are taken back and the Red cards similarly handed over with a like request. Whilst spectator is looking at the Red cards, slightly bridge the Black cards which are held in the hand, and after receiving back the Red cards, all are well shuffled together and in this condition the full pack is placed face downwards on the table. It is now an easy matter to pick out whichever color is called for, as the Black cards are slightly bridged, whilst the Red ones lie flat on the table.
Colombini, Aldo. The Close Up Magic of Aldo Colombini p155 "Out of this Country", p158 "Out of Color", p159 "Out of Apocalypse", p162 "Half a World Away", p166 "Out of Suits" & Eurotour Lecture Notes year 1997 « It’s a small World » A powerful routine with a random distribution in four packs associated to shuffles.
Conn, Doug: Connsolidated Connundrums ©2006 Doug Conn; p 16 As The World Turns: An approach to Curry's Out of This World for three spectators
Cornelius, John. One way out of this world
Curry, Paul. Out of this World (1942) & Magician's Magic (Dover, 1965) in Chapter 13 p 239 Paul Curry, under the heading "Out of This World", states: "Here's a story about one of my best-known tricks. [Story about Winston Churchill omitted] What follows is an explanation -- appearing in a book for the first time -- of this same red-black trick that so thoroughly and repeatedly baffled Winston Churchill, as well as practically everyone else who has seen it performed. It's known to my friends and to magicians generally as "Out of This World." & Paul Curry Presents (1974) p 91 The "World" Revisited p 94 Best of Possible Worlds & Out of this World - and Beyond (1975) p. 1 Out of This World - And Beyond p 5 And Now - the Variations p 10 The Impromptu Methods p 16 Variations on the Effect p 17 Color Thot ( by Martin Gardner) & Paul Curry's Worlds Beyond (2001) 382 pages Illustrated by Paul Curry p183 Out of This World p190 Best of Possible Worlds
Dill, Dean & Weber, Michael: A New World. The Paul Curry classic to fool the ones “in the know” with special gaffs, secret marks, hidden codes, subtle cues, and a built-in memory-free version of the Aronson Stack. A New World relies on a heavily gimmicked deck. The handling of the deck is natural so it doesn’t call to itself. And the spectator can shuffle the deck with some management and direction from the performer. Throughout, casual but firm audience control is a must. The gimmicked deck removes the need to begin new piles in the middle and execute the switch at the end. On the downside, the outcome can only be displayed by the magician and you’re not left clean. “A New World” uses only half of the deck for the effect, which works well.
Domain P. Ibidem. Impromptu version
Draun, Steve. Secrets Draun From Underground (1993). 151 pages: p 133 Worldly Things (by: Steven Draun) & Standing Room Only : Volume 2 If you could accomplish this classic effect by real magic, it might look very much like this - the clean-up is that good
Falkenstein and Willard. Out of this World. Masters of Mental Magic DVD Vol 3
Fulves, Karl. Even Money Proposition Pallbearer’s Review
Gardner, Martin. Martin Gardner Presents by Mathew Field, Mark Philips, Harvey Rosenthal and Max Maven Published by Richard Kaufman and Alan Greenberg (1993) 425 pages. p65 Out of This World Tip (Paul Curry), p65 Another Out of This World, p67 A New Way Out of This World
Gordon, Paul. The Eradicator" from Card Conjuring
Grant U.F. Nu-Way Out of this World Out of this world...and beyond by Paul Curry. P 13: U.F Grant’s version starting with a shuffled deck. The favorite method of famous magicians like Pete Biro
Green, Lennart. The Green Angel Separation. Page 15 Out of this World
Page 16 Out of this Break & Out of this Green World. Green Magic Volume: 2 & Out of Sweden. The Looking Glass (Spring 1996) p. 60: The spectator deals the cards, one pile has all the red cards and the second has all of the black cards. Then the performer sets aside a black card then shows the rest of the cards are red. Then the red cards vanish and you are left with the black cards
Guimaraes Helder. Out of this Water. Small Miracles (Penguin)
Guinn, Scott F: Great Scott! It's a Magic Lecture! Practical, Commercial Magic with Cards, Coins, and Other Things ©2000 Scott Guinn. p 12 What in the World? Out of this world variation
Harris, Paul: Galaxy. The Art of Astonishment book 3 p253 Galaxy (by: Paul Harris and Wyman Jones)
Jermays Luke.
Kennedy, John: Intuition. Card College Light by Roberto Giobbi (three piles red black and wrong) & “Red and Black”. Genii Magazine March 1989 p. 560-562
Longe, Bob. Get Out of this World. The World’s best card tricks
Loomis, Dennis. Out of My Mind. http://www.loomismagic.com/memdeck21.php.
Lorayne, Harry: Out Of The Universe in Close Up Card Magic (1962) p 80 Impromptu Out Of This World in My Favorite card tricks (1965: Lou Tannen). & My Favorite Card Tricks section of The Classic Collection, Vol. 1. Harry’s take with a shuffled deck which has a nice, simple fix at the end & Out of this Universe. Close up card magic and in & Out Of This Galaxy. Trendsetters & The Classic Collection, Vol. 1. Harry’s impromptu Out of this World is there, re-written, updated & Best Ever Collection DVD #2. Out of This Universe
MacTier, Arthur F. Card Concepts (2000) by Lewis Davenport Limited P. 230 ..... Out of Gilbreath's World
McCabe, Pete. Scripting Magic
Marlo, Ed. “Out of This World Handling” Ibidem Volume 2. P. 582 & “Three Trips to Out Of This World” Marlo’s Magazine Volume: 6 p. 221
Martinez, Daryl. Out of this Hemisphere (1989) 10 Pages Out of this Hemisphere
Mendoza, John. Mendoza’s Out Of This World. Live and Personal DVD
Muller, Reinhard. Out of my Mind. Spell-Binder Magazine. Digital edition by Martin Breese http://www.martinbreese.com/cdroms.htm
Ouellet, Gary. Netherworld. Close Up Illusions (1990) 350 pages Chapter 30: Netherworld
Prost, Jean Yves. Variations sur un thème classique. Arcane N° 13 and 14: Robert Harbin and Martin Gardner versions & Georges Pouleau (Diavol) and U.F. Grant variants.
Regal, David. Out of This Borough. Constant Fooling 2 (2002) Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. p 83 Out of this Borough & Tricks, More Tricks, Enough with the Tricks Already! DVD #3
Richardson, Barrie. Theatre of the Mind Page 76 When Worlds Collide & Act Two. Another World
Rostami, Greg. Cosmos DVD From a deck shuffled by the spectators the cards are dealt in two rows (no stop half way through) and the reds are on one side and the black on the other. The performer can secretly know the red ones from the black ones either by opposite bends in the cards or by an edge mark on both sides near the middle.
Sanderson, George P. Right Under Their Noses 1977 Micky Hades International, Canada p. 23: Thanks to Paul Curry: Another approach to Curry's Out of this World. Does not provide the entire routine, but only an improved approach to revealing the two packets
Sankey, Jay. Dowsing. Bonus effects on 3 Ring Circus & 22 Blows to the Head. Confession
Scarne, John. Scarne on Card Tricks (Dover, 1950) has the trick as #155, the last one in the book, and introduces it like this: "A card trick in which the spectator mysteriously separates the red-face cards from the black-face cards. A top creation by the author, who has kept the method a secret for many years."
Stewart, James. Curryculum The James File Vol 1; p 1186
Swain, James: Out of this World Miracles With Cards © 1996. p 12
Taylor, Boin. Out Of Town. Spell-Binder
Tremaine, John. Amazing Secrets of Magic and Card Tricks
Trost, Nick. Red Or Black - Which? The Card Magic of Nick Trost
Wagner J.C. Prediction out of this world: The Commercial Magic of J.C. Wagner, Mike Maxwell, 1987 & More Commercial Magic DVD Prediction Out Of This World
Weigle, Oscar. Further Out Of This World Phoenix 1949 # 182 July 29 Advertisement but the explanation is so far unpublished
Zimmerman, Richard. Way Out Of this World

Plus my own R&D work which ended up in an unpublished (spectators shuffled) version based on the Gilbraith principle and Leslie Claire's approach still being indebted to Paul Curry if only for the fascination he launched.
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Nice, helpful, job, Lawrence. Great list. I sure do wish, however, that you'd explain your gratuitous remark "Since Harry Lorayne seems to deny anyone the right to judge on the basis that none of us knows every variant of the effect (which cannot be argued but should normally include Harry himself." I understand it, but please, be specific, when did I EVER say ANYTHING was the BEST? If I did, which I doubt, it ALWAYS would have been "...the best OF THOSE I KNOW." So, since you made that statement, please prove its veracity - I'd like to know myself, so that if I ever did say something like that, I'd apologize publicly, just as you made that statement publicly. Best - HL

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I have never seen so many ways to do basically the same effect? Smile
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You're absolutely right, Pete. A little bit of background: Way back in the early 1950s, everyone was doing Paul's Out Of This World. The problem with that was - I'd start to do it for a group, and (peripheral vision when I'm working) I'd see someone poke someone else and say (peripheral hearing, too!)something like, "My grocer does that trick(!)" It just started to become too well known. That's what led me to devise my Out Of This Universe. I wanted to fool those who knew, or thought they knew, the original OOTW. Remember, that was in the early 1950s. I think my OOTU originally appeared in Hugard's Monthly Magic magazine in 1952. Then in my first magic book in 1962. At that time, there weren't all those "ways" in existence. Do you think that, possibly, I started something? Okay; I did it because the original was becoming too well known. That stopped being the case as time went by - so why all the "ways" AFTER mine? I just LOVE some of the "ways" and improvements people sent me - like adding selected cards to my concept. Please! And crimps, switches, additions, gaffed cards - again, Please!
Oh, and one of the complaints re: the original was the "fact" that most had to do it as an opening, or only, trick, or switch in a deck, because of the setup. Of course, they never read my way of setting during a preceding trick. Anyway, that's what led me to devise my Impromptu version of the original. That's it; there was no reason to go any further with it - at least not for me. (I did publish a switch-in half deck method in one of my books because I did it as a gag for magicians one Saturday afternoon, and was shocked by the reaction - they were completely fooled. It's not something I ever do now because I use only borrowed decks.)
I guess that's one of the ways my mind works. When, and again, years ago, double lifts and turnovers started to become too well known, done too often, etc., I devised a few starting-with-single-card methods (see LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION Vol. 2, out soon). That was the basic thrust of my Ultra Move. (Again, see the aforementioned book.)Please; save your remarks about me plugging my own books - I'm simply giving a reference; no need for you to buy them. Okay?
Anyway, just wanted to "do" a bit of background. Best - HARRY LORAYNE.
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Ted French: I know them all (I think); I do only my Out Of This Universe and my Impromptu OOTW. I assume that answers your question.

Mimo67 answered your question, Taj.

I find it difficult to understand how those into card magic at all do not know things I put in books over 40 years ago, and that people rave about in forums, and have been for years, and that I'm told are "classics."

Best - HL.


Now Harry, don't jump. I wanted to introduce the list and I wanted an angle instead of appearing as a literate lesson giver. It's like when we do a trick, we need a script with a little drama. I knew that doing it at your expense could not hurt you as you are way above that. By nature I just find it more brave to tease top quality experts than beginners, especially when I know that they are reactive.
My comment wasn't factually personal and choosing you was somehow a tribute (a little sarcastic I admit, but not malevolent)
I love your work, not only on OOTWW, not only on cards. Your books and Apocalypse are an asset to the magic community which goes far beyond cards. I think that your contribution to magic is unarguably major and I bow in front of you with sincere respect.
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