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Kondini
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As a lockpick could be a paper clip, here in the UK no permit is required to carry paper clips !!
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I have my permit on psychic paper (got it off the Dr). No Ken I did not nick it off him whilst he was in Swadlincote …… I had one of the young locals do it for me.
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As an escapologist and magician, I don't worry about being caught with a lock pick in my possession. Here's why.

I happen to live in California so I'll quote the law appropriate to my state.
California Penal Code Section 466 states, "Every person having upon him or her in his or her possession a picklock, crow, keybit, crowbar, screwdriver, vice grip pliers, water-pump pliers, slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun, tubular lock pick, floor-safe door puller, master key, or other instrument or tool with intent feloniously to break or enter into any building, railroad car, aircraft, or..."

Notice one element of the law states "WITH INTENT". Very important. Intent to do what? To break into some place. If I'm discovered at the back door of someone's unoccupied house on a dark night, and they find my lock pick (picklock) tools in my wallet, it's easy to prove my intent. Forget the lock pick. Instead of my picks, if they find me with just a screwdriver or just a vice grip pliers with me, that's intent.

Read it again, it states "OR OTHER INSTRUMENT OR TOOL", so the list isn't limited. A paper clip can be considered part of the list IF you include the next two words, "WITH INTENT". It must be proved that you have felonious intent to break into something that is not yours.

So what if I'm caught with it in my wallet? What's the situation? If I'm driving my car and get stopped for a speeding violation while sitting still in rush hour traffic, and the officer spots my pick and tension wrench in my wallet as I'm removing my drivers license for him, he will certainly ask why I have them. But he will not arrest me for possession. Why? because I don't have intent to break into anything. You have to meet all elements of the law. With no intent, there is no crime.

Personally, I don't sweat it.

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Joe I love caveat.....................

..................who would have thought that those tiny little fish eggs could taste so *** good!

Time for a new feeder discussion here. Name anything for the following

"Any other instrument or tool":
I bet Wolflock says Kazoo (or is that Joe himself?)
I would say a brick would be covered!
Is a bulldozer a tool or an Instrument?

I think instrument – because stomp could play one but you cant really put it in a tool belt!

IS a bulldozer a tool? or an Instrument?
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I never tried using my kazoo as a lock pick. I think it is the wrong shape. Then again, some of us can do amazing things.

And yes, If I were stopped by a police officer he might well find the kazoo in my pocket, but it would probably just make him laugh.

Last I heard, you don't need a licence to carry a kazoo.
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I thought they were deadly weapons? Hold on I will check the dictionary .........


................... oh sorry my bad!

It¡¦s my dyslexia again getting the better of me.

I was confusing the Kazoo with a Bazooker. I thought a Babooker was the person doing the playing on the Bazoo. My mistake!

But I am *** sure I can open a lock with a Bazoo ..... ker....... (oh its Bazooka isn¡¦t it! ƒº
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I don't believe South Africa needs a permit either.
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Hi Dave,

Eat caveat? No, no, no. The "T" is silent. And I think the French pronounce it "Car Fiat", but I could be wrong. Oh, and a bulldozer is definitely a Tool. Much like the bazooka. Only you can't carry a bulldozer on your back. But you can back your bulldozer over a kazoo.

Oh, sorry Cliff. Pleae make sure your kazoo is not on your person when the bulldozer comes around.

Hay Wolfie, can you check for Cliff and see if you need a permit to carry a kazoo in South Africa? I would hate to have to fly over there just to bail him out of jail.....
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" And I think the French pronounce it "Car Fiat" "


??? Doesn't sound french... at all Smile
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I thought Fiat was Italian... as a mechanic, I had a hard time with those manuals. French huh? Well I'll be...

Tools... so far all I've needed was a broken "bobby pin". But I've never messed with anything more than common handcuffs.

You mean I know my colors in French? Dang!!!
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Quote:
On 2007-04-15 19:40, Wolflock wrote:
I don't believe South Africa needs a permit either.


Now I believe it is all down to which state South Africa is in at the time when they are carrying the lock picks - and weather they have the intent to use them for crime.

Or do you mean you don’t need a permit to carry picks there?

I am surprised no one has brought you p the scene from pulp fiction where they are talking about drugs in Amsterdam!

I wonder if seeing a bazooka on your back would lead the police to the conclusion you were up to no god and may be inclined to try and gain access to a house.
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