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GlenD
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I just purchased the La Maggiore set of shells and a video to get me going. I also went with Pat Page's video at Denny's (Denny & Lee's Magic Studio) recommendation. It has some basic routines (that are good) and explanations of a lot of moves.

I know this has already been discussed, do a search... blah blah blah
But if anyone is inclined to actually give an opinion or some advice on some of the best shell game routines on video, dvd or in a book, I would be very appreciative.

By the way, I had a great time at Denny's place while on vacation. He is extremely knowledgeable and such a nice guy. He helped me out with some directions of the area too, which I was thankful for.

Thanks in advance for suggestions or tips, etc.

GlenD
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The Patrick Page video is an excellent source for the sleights. Phil Cass has a video that demonstrates his way to psychologically approach the game. Bob Kohler's Golden Shells video has a move and a few subtlties that I added to my routine. Bob Sheets has a great routine. Glenn Bishop has a video of his routine on his website. Glenn's was the first time I had seen this ending. I like Glenn's routine.

Overall, Bob Kohler and Phil Cass have had the most influence on how I constructed my routine. However, I am eagerly waiting for Whit Haydn and Chef Anton to put out their DVD on the shell game, which one can be sure will leave no shell unturned.
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The problem with most shell routines and cups and balls routines is that they go to long... One of the early things I learned in magic was to just show the highlights...

I have seen cups and balls routines and shell routines that were so long I felt like I would have to shave again.

I know a lot of cups and ball moves and shell moves but I cut the routine for performance... It works well on TV because it is short and has my punch ending.

I got a lot of Chicago magicians with that ending including Bill Malone, Ed Marlo, Eugean Burger, Jack Pyle, Billy Bishop, Don Alan, Frank Everhart, John Shirley even Jay Marshall...

I feel magic is not a show of how many moves you know it is how you entertain the audience.
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Glenn Bishop's routine is just great!

When developing routines that will bear your own "marks", I suggest you get as many sources as possible: Sheets, Bishop, Kohler, Hadyn (School for Scoundrels), Cass, etc. Each of their routines have little bits that you can then choose from. It's called research.

Love the search--

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Paul Green
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I have also recently to learn the 3 shell game and I have been using Sal Piacente's "Street Monte" DVD. I think its very good.
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I totaly agree with what paul Green Just said...

When learning an effect the student (I do this myself) will buy everything that they can get their hands on when I learn an effect.

Then I work out what I like and then I perform it for an audience. And I let the audience reaction edit the effect down to a short routine that has a punch ending.

I also ask the audience questions like was it long enough? Was it to long? What part of the routine did you like? What part of the routine you didn't like?

This is how I hone and edit down my magic.

But when learning - I get everything that I can on the effect... The research and learning is part of the fun!

I also feel that Paul Green is one of the finest close up entertainers that it has been my pleasure to meet...

I have seen his work and his DVD and video is great work too!
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Pat Page's video is great - ANY video of Pat's is great! He's one of magic's great performers and teachers, and a very witty guy.

I really love the Bob Sheets video, too - and don't forget to check out Glenn Bishop's great routine.

Like many other's, I eagerly await the S4S DVD on the 3 shell game.

Regards

Riley
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I disagree with Sal Piacente's DVD, what a waste of money, very short and shows you some really basic moves.
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In addition to the excellent routines already mentioned there are also:

Gary Ouellet's Super Shells (1979)

Dusty Johnson's Diversions for the Shell & Pea Game

Karl Norman's routine - I believe this routine is in Forty Years at the Forks.

and Harrison Carroll's The Shell Game

There are many others....
GlenD
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Thanks everyone for all of the sources and suggestions. It is very much appreciated and I will take it a step at a time but I expect to be checking out lots of the suggested material.
You guys are the best as is this site!

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Glen:

Sorry to be so late to the party!

Thanks for your purchase, I'm glad to hear that the shells are meeting your needs.

For a detailed list of resources on the shell game, check out the following link:

http://www.threeshellgame.com/resources.htm

It will give you a ton of information on the shell game including both print and video (and happens to be the bibliographic source for the material Dusty Johnson reproduced in his book).

The Three Shell Game Store at threeshellgame.com has what I consider to be the best sources for material currently available on the market... The Shell Shop can be found here:

http://www.threeshellgame.com/shellshop/

Have fun hunting!

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On 2004-10-17 09:27, stevesmagic wrote:
I disagree with Sal Piacente's DVD, what a waste of money, very short and shows you some really basic moves.


I'm not sure what you would want from a DVD. There are only a few moves needed to perform the Three Shell Game. If you practice and master the moves shown on the DVD, you will have mastered the Three Shell Game. Its not rocket science. As for the length, it dosen't take a 3 hour DVD to teach the moves, it actually takes about 3 minutes.
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On 2004-10-18 09:46, VANDY wrote:
I'm not sure what you would want from a DVD. There are only a few moves needed to perform the Three Shell Game. If you practice and master the moves shown on the DVD, you will have mastered the Three Shell Game.


That statement is bold. The shell game is not about the moves alone. And while I agree that learning the physical part of the game does not require long amounts of time, psychology and presentation are crucial elements as well. It certainly takes more than mastering the moves alone to have a good routine.
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Jim, I agree with you. Psychology and presentation are the absolute key, and those are difficult to learn from a DVD. Same with practice.

In regards to the specific DVD that I mentioned, psychology is touched upon and different aspects of Sal's routine are explained and an entire routine is shown. From there, the burden is on the individual to expand the game. Routines have to be developed personally to be effective. As far as practice, that simply must be done and no DVD is going to show someone practicing. I thought the DVD was useful. It clarified for me some of the moves and set me on my way. I knew very little about the 3 shell game prior to getting the DVD, and now with about a months practice, I feel very comfortable with it.

Stevesmagics problems with the DVD were that it was too short and only a few basic moves were shown. I thought it provided sufficent info on the moves and enough info on Sal's routine along with some footage of Sal performing the effect on the streets to get anyone off on a good start to performing the 3 Shell Game.

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I think that Sal's main function was to satisfy magic makers by promoting their so called 'Golden Shells'(which has been ripped off from Whit Hayden). He doesn't even use them. Then he has used his hard man image to promote the 3 shell game. Yes he gave a very brief outline of the game but there is much more. What about a shot glass, what about different variations, moves, finishes. I am not doubting that he is one of the most skillful men around but please, watch the dvd again and you will see that there should be so much more. Watch any good magic dvd and yes the tricks/effects are shown but any good proffesional magician will elaborate on distraction techniques etc.
Sal should do the same
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Actually, to become expert at the shells, there are many moves that can and should be learned.

A simple performance exhibition can be created using just a very few moves, but to master the shells, there are a lot of feints, ruses, moves, turnovers and acquitments that are necessary to keep the game going for a long time in front of the same people.

If you perform, for example, at a casino night, where you are doing the shells for hours for anyone that wants to stand at your table, there is always some one who becomes engaged or challenged and will stand and watch for a long time. You will be busted for sure if you do not vary your moves and maneuvers quite a bit.

Just check out Osborne's "The Shell Game" to get an idea of how many moves and dodges are available. Sheets' video on the two pea dodge and his acquitment move are another example of how advanced the sleight of hand in shell work can be.
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On 2004-10-18 11:38, stevesmagic wrote:
I think that Sal's main function was to satisfy magic makers by promoting their so called 'Golden Shells'(which has been ripped off from Whit Hayden). He doesn't even use them. Then he has used his hard man image to promote the 3 shell game. Yes he gave a very brief outline of the game but there is much more. What about a shot glass, what about different variations, moves, finishes. I am not doubting that he is one of the most skillful men around but please, watch the dvd again and you will see that there should be so much more. Watch any good magic dvd and yes the tricks/effects are shown but any good proffesional magician will elaborate on distraction techniques etc.
Sal should do the same


I don't know about promoting the "Golden Shells" thing. Yes, I know all about how many magicians have serious problems with magic makers. You do not have to buy the golden shells in order to get the DVDs so I don't know what one has to do with the other. Yes, he shows the stupid Golden Shells, mentions them and then moves on. Sal does show a bit with a glass, not a shot glass, its more like a water glass but the effect is the same. I will watch the DVD again, I watch it all the time. I put it one whenever I'm practicing so I can refer to it if need be. I have also learned things from the DVD just by watching it. Things that may not be mentioned, but can be seen and incorporated into your performance. Its not the difinitive source on the 3 shell game replete with every routine ever performed, every move ever made and every piece of patter ever spoken. But I still think its a decent tool. I reccomend it, you don't. I was satisfied, you weren't. Such is life.

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On 2004-10-18 11:43, whithaydn wrote:
Actually, to become expert at the shells, there are many moves that can and should be learned.

A simple performance exhibition can be created using just a very few moves, but to master the shells, there are a lot of feints, ruses, moves, turnovers and acquitments that are necessary to keep the game going for a long time in front of the same people.

If you perform, for example, at a casino night, where you are doing the shells for hours for anyone that wants to stand at your table, there is always some one who becomes engaged or challenged and will stand and watch for a long time. You will be busted for sure if you do not vary your moves and maneuvers quite a bit.

Just check out Osborne's "The Shell Game" to get an idea of how many moves and dodges are available. Sheets' video on the two pea dodge and his acquitment move are another example of how advanced the sleight of hand in shell work can be.


Whit, thank you for that. I must admit my first reply to stevesmagic was a bit flippant. Orginally GlenD was asking for some suggestions on where to obtain some routines.So I suggested a DVD I had seen. I actually understand that there is much,much more to the 3 shell game. It is an entire industry unto itself. An extended routine would require many more moves, ruses etc as you have stated. I do it a magic trick and the entire routine takes a few minutes. I respect the game and those, such as yourself, that have devoted so much to it. I didn't mean to make light of it when I said it takes minutes to learn the moves.

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Vandy:

I think that is one of the attractions of the shell game.

It is very simple to learn, and you can begin getting great reactions right away.

You can be very entertaining with a simple routine that only uses one or two moves.

Still, you can continue growing and learning as long as you play. The best I ever saw was Jack Chanin. He could fry anyone with his many moves and subtleties.

The hardest part is always going to be to make it entertaining, and to make them want to stick around and bet just one more time.
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I agree, I love the 3 shell game and intend to try and expand on my own little routine. I am very intrested in the game and have great respect for those that perform it as a magic piece and also those skilled enough to actually do it as a con(not that I approve of conning folks) and I definatly know there is a difference. I intend to continue working the game and expanding my horizons. I would like to be able to run the game for an extended period of time and learn many of those moves and techniques that you have talked about. I have also learned a lot from this site, video clips such as those provided by Mr Bishop and am going to see what I can find about this Mr Chanin of which you speak. Its a wonderful thing to see the game done by a master. I hear your pretty good yourself. Your point are well taken. Onward and Upward...

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The Three Shell Game is a very addictive journey. You get hooked on how easy it is to perform and you seem to get away with the simplest of manuevers and then you get busted.

Now you increase your arsenal with some more subtleties and then more people start yelling at you. And you start chasing it.

I think you need a short routine for just one on one because you don't want to use the "big" routine on him and your crowd grows or not and you've shot the wad.

The routine you might do at tables in a restaurant or on a bar with no pad might be a 3 to 4 minute routine with everything very clear since there might be ambient distractions you don't have in someone's living room, another routine.

Your growth will come from performance, the ideas, thoughts and approaches from many sources. And if you just started, it's only the beggining. The appeal of the Three Shell Game is it can be as simple or as complex as your imagination allows.

The selection of the shells you use will depend on the type of surface or lack of, the size of your hands and fingers or if they fit your story.

Those with big hands will find La Maggiore a good choice and the shells look great on the pad.

I could never do the shells with the Black Fox's little turtle shells but I had a friend tell me his set up and story and he had me in stitches. I LOVE the scarabs and they fit my set up for the routine. His large size real shells are also great for those with big hands. The Black Fox Shells give you ideas just because of their thematic designs.

The School For Scoundrel shells are light in your pocket and perfect for those any time, any where, pad or no pad situations. And those peas are the best.

So there are no rules regarding the approach to the Three Shell Game and don't let any one tell you there are.

There are no definative, final answer, best source, alpha omega Three Shell product shops on the planet. THERE ARE MANY. The Café is one of the best resources to help you on your journey.

I saw someone on the Café was a little rough on Sal and his video. His video was produced with the begginer in mind and succeeds very well in that regard. It would be a great start if you've never done the shells before. I found his performance style engaging and I'm sure his audiences would be most pleased with his show.

I think that the personal slamming just because someone's product, idea, approach, or personal ideas doesn't meet your needs is no reason to attack someone.

One of my bugaboos is from the armchair magician. He is the one with the loudest opinion and usually he has never actually tried any of the ideas in performance. He likes to rip apart the work and thoughts of those who have made serious effort. He does seem to have an enormous time to spend on the boards.

Those thoughfull performers who offer their thoughts are real people and if they are performers are very sensitive about their work. The market place delivers plenty of humility. A little more respect and a little less criticism would be welcomed by this brother. BOB.
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