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Flo
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Now that I've got both sets (SFS and La Maggiore)
I have to admit that they are both very nice.

After a little practice I still have a little noise probleme with La Maggiore when working on hard surfaces (I'm a beginer)but on a mat it's perfect.

The street shells aren't as beautiful (for me) but they are so easy to use even on hard surfaces, the steals and loads are invisible, no move no noise (I'm a beginer).

I want to add that customers service from Andrew Pinard (www.threeshellgame.com)is excellent, and I thank him again for that.
sleightly
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Hey Flo:

Thanks again for the kind words...

The key to a noiseless steal on a hard surface with La Maggiore is to focus the grip on the sides, not the top. Where modified shells encourage downward pressure to utilize the Chanin Dip, it also forces the shell to rebound back toward the table surface with the possibility of a resounding clack (even with the dip). The solution to a rebound is to use absolutely no downward pressure.

Adjust your grip slightly so that your index finger is not on top of the shell but more or less at two o'clock on the side near the front of the shell. This is actually the traditional grip position. I have found that many people who use a shell set with the Chanin Dip unconsciously alter their handling to accomodate the Dip by positioning their index finger on top of the shell. This is problematic in two ways: first, maintaining an index figner on top of the shell hides more of the action and can appear suspicious to spectators, and, secondly, if you do make the jump to another shell set or even ungimmicked bottle caps, seashells or the like, you have to re-learn the grip.

Once you have gripped the shells in the traditional manner, maintain a gentle pressure on the sides of the shell (enough to keep the shell from hopping when the pea is compressed), merely glide the shells forward and steal the pea. If the grip is maintained, not only will the shell not move vertically, you will have increased control laterally and be able to steal the pea on any surface with no tell.

One of my vocal concerns about the use of the Chanin Dip as a way of working on a hard surface is that the shells have a tendency to "rock" slightly when released, providing a potential tell to spectators. I might recommend that owners of shell sets with the Chanin Dip periodically check their grip. If you find your index finger creeping to the top of the shell, re-adjust with the index finger more on the side. This should eliminate the rocking described above. It will also allow you to perform the move with any cover lacking the Chanin Dip (which was not designed by Chanin for this purpose anyway; for a greater discussion of my thoughts on this see http://threeshellgame.com/shopping.htm#anchor101595 ).

Thanks again to everyone for their continued interest in this subject, there is a lot to be learned by studying the shell game!

ajp
Flo
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I'll try this..
thank you!

Now I'm waiting for your dvd and Whit Haydn's one because I've got no video tape player so I can't buy the Bobs (Sheet and Kohler) videos.
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I just saw a video player in the newspaper for $49 buckeroos.

Not en Paris, however.
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Bill Wells
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I very much like the appearance of the Black Fox Shells - both scarab and turtle shell style - but I find them (particularly the turtle shell) a bit slipperly and sometimes difficult to pick up cleanly. Has anyone else has this problem?
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On 2004-11-09 07:53, sleightly wrote:

One of my vocal concerns about the use of the Chanin Dip as a way of working on a hard surface is that the shells have a tendency to "rock" slightly when released, providing a potential tell to spectators.

ajp

If the Street Shell rocks at all when you release it, you're not doing it right.

And one of the really great things about having an EMPTY shell rock "on purpose" is that it makes spectator THINK the pea is under that shell. You really have to try this to see the awesome impact it has when they swallow that hook.

If you ever the opportunity to see Whit Haydn, Bob Kohler or Tim Connover use the Scoundrels shells with the Chanin Dip, you'll see, first hand how an incredible design detail can make all the difference.

Admittedly, some of those subtlties are not for everyone. But don't let that opinion become a stumbling block in your journey.

The technological advances in the Three Shell game is one of the things the makes it so exciting. I can't wait to see what the next evolution will bring.

Remember each opinion you read in these postings, is just that. There are no RULES and no FINAL answer--only a continuing search for your own personal expression as a performer.
Dave V
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On 2004-11-17 23:04, BillWells wrote:
I very much like the appearance of the Black Fox Shells - both scarab and turtle shell style - but I find them (particularly the turtle shell) a bit slipperly and sometimes difficult to pick up cleanly. Has anyone else has this problem?


Bill,
Yes. I also have the turtle shells and found that the tapered shape makes them hard to grasp.

I found a solution at my wife's dance studio called "Slip Grip" or something like that. They use it to mop the dance floor to kill the slickness. (I wish all dance venues knew of this stuff. Not using it destroyed my wife's professional dance career as her foot went out from under her as she was on pointe and damaged her hip.)

Other things that don't come in gallon jugs when you only need a drop include: spray rosin (also from a dance shop) or bowler's "Pro Grip" or good old roughing spray. Whit Hayden says some of his people have used a thin coat of glue and fine sand to make a more permanent rough surface, but I don't want to risk messing up the look of the turtle shells, so I just make it "tacky" with my borrowed floor grip solution.
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Bill Wells
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Thanks David - I will check this out at the local dance studio.
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At this time I do not own a set of Andrew Pinard's fine shells.

I had a set of shells that vanished along with my close up case one night when I was performing in a rough night club.

A friend lent me a set of shells that Mr. Pinard puts out and I used them for over a year. Mr. Pinard's shells make many shell game moves easy to do and it is a very nice large shell and very good for doing big tables. In fact if the seating is right a magician could do the effect for a room full of people.

The sides of these shells are very good and they have ridges and they don't slip out of the performers hands. At least never sliped in performance of several shows that I used them in - before I had to give them back...

I will be adding a set (most likely 2 sets) of Mr. Pinard's shells to my sets of shells and I will be using them in shows... They are great...
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Bill Wells
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Glenn -

I agree - the La Maggiore shells are great and don't slip. I also like the S for S shells and don't have any trouble with them being slippery either. Both are excellent sets of shells. The Black Fox shells (particularly the Turtle shells) are the only ones I have had any trouble with - of course, as you might guess they are beautiful shells. But with David's suggestions, I hope to solve the problem.
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Hi BillWells,

I have several sets... Including s4s shells and I have talked about them quite a lot in other threads.

The thing about putting something on the shells to make them less slick...

I do a lot of card magic and I avoid stuff like that because it can leave residue on your hands. And that can get to the deck or other props.

When I did restaurants and I passed the cups out for the cups and balls. Onec in a while the cups would come back sticky from the spectators looking at the cups...

That could get in the deck or on other props. I would close with the cups so I cauld wash my hands when this happened...

The key for me is to have the GOOD props... Mr. Pinard's shells were used outside in fair shows. In hot and humid weather.

My hands were swetty and because of the great shape taken from real wallnut shells. They did not once slip from my hands...

And the size could be seen from a long distance away. More people could see so they got a great audience response...

I will have my 2 sets in the next three weeks and I will be using them in shows...
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NickJegor
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There are very good shells "Golden Shells" I mean!
They are very comfortable and very good!
I use the original shells from the Grece Nuts!
I perform this trick in my school some times with money!
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