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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9639 Posts 
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On May 4, 2021, corneille wrote: Some very nice moves for sure, and it shows one need not be limited by the gaff of a Chop Cup. Methinks every accomplished performer should be able to perform an impromptu one-cup routine using found objects, and save a Chop Cup for limited settings/audiences. My favorite multi-phase routine uses a standard coffee mug and a basket of Creamers at a restaurant. No gaffs or preparation, and the performer can change direction after each phase depending on audience engagement. Now you have given me some additional ideas to consider as alternative Modules. Thanks.
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DrVG Regular user 194 Posts
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In the same category as Axel s Just a cup, I would second Craig Petty s Chop and Boulanger s Presticup.
all have some excellent moves that are a sweet addition to classic chop cup moves |
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gregg webb Inner circle 1564 Posts
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I can't choose between Roth's and Ron Wilson's, and I remember one from Larry Jennings. Combine all three. But edit.
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Bozman New user Massachusetts 81 Posts
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I also really like Alex's "just a cup". Opens up so many possibilities to go in/out of the routine or switch out the cup in use entirely.
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karnak Special user Connecticut 673 Posts
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Where might David Roth’s chop cup routine be available?
I know a performance-only video of it can be found on YouTube (at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBlRr5_Srs ). But can downloadable printed instructions, or a video tutorial, be purchased someplace?
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1335 Posts
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The only source I am aware of is "New York Magic Symposium Collection Three". The revised method from his lecture.
It is still available. |
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Alan Munro.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5874 Posts
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I really like the Michael O'Brien routine. He has some video of it on his YouTube Channel, O'Brien Magic.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24306 Posts
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There is a chop cup routine done with a BORROWED coffee cup and a dollar bill that actually has the same principle as Axel Hecklau's routine. It's called "Kaffee Wette" (Coffee Wager) and it was manufactured and sold by Christian Jedinat at least a decade before "Just a Cup." In my opinion, the Hecklau routine is principally for magicians. And it works well for that audience, because he always sells out at lectures. This is a perfect example of gearing a routine for your intended audience. Remember, ONLY the MAGICIANS and their immediate families who are in your audience have any idea of what a chop cup is.
Quote: On Sep 22, 2019, Dougini wrote:
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Axel Hecklau Regular user Berlin / Germany 114 Posts
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Dear Bill
You of all people, as an expert, should know better. The Kaffee Wette has the same basic concept - yes that's right. But the practical application is not fully developed (better say not really usable in the real world). If you look at the details and changes I did and the PRACTICAL use in the real performance world, you should see the advantages of Just a cup. Just a cup is anything but a trick designed for magicians. In real life it is of unbeatable advantage if you don't have to change anything before the spectator wants to look at the props. Especially during tablehopping when you have to improvise sometimes, these advantages become noticeable. At lectures, Just a cup is sold out because the magicians realize that I have solved, among other things, the problem of how to bring the gimmick safely into play and how to show hands empty if needed. It's the combination of details that make a good concept a WORKER. My routine has developed in many performances in "combat situations" to be flexible, diversified, natural and very astonishing. Using a dice and a dice cup is good for those who don't want to look improvised but still want to use normal objects. Your post sounds, you think Just a cup is nothing new and only good for performances in a magic club to fool people who knows a chop cup. You are right (except the word "only") - Just a cup was publishes 2008 - 14 years ago - I still sell every year the same number only advertised by word of mouth, and yes it fools magicians too. But I guess beside Newsflash and Spoonaround it is the most PERFORMED trick by other magicians for LAYPEOPLE I have developed. And the reason for this is: Just a cup has proven its advantages over a chop cup in the "real world"! |
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Zauberman Veteran user 306 Posts
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As someone who has used Alex's Just a Cup at Hundreds of Outdoor Festivals and Street Shows for real people under real world conditions....I can verify it absolutely kills.
The concept and props are brilliant. I have no affiliation with Just a Cup, just a real world magician who has used Alex's idea for over a decade. |
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gregg webb Inner circle 1564 Posts
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I just wrote out my routine for the Cup and Bell prop that just sold at the Roth auction. It can be found in the Creating Magic thread under my name in the Secret Sessions section near the end, at the bottom, for what it is worth. Whoever bought the props didn't get a routine, so there is the routine, if anyone knows who bought it.
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gregg webb Inner circle 1564 Posts
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It was Nathan Kranzo. Also, in line with the actual thread, I like David Roth's routine, and Larry Jennings' routine and Ron Wilson's routine.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24306 Posts
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Dear Axel:
First of all, I have never called myself an expert. I just have more "toys" than any of the other "kids." However, I stand by what I wrote. I have been using Kafeewette in the "real world" for nearly 25 years. I have found it to be very practical. Bill Palmer, MIMC Quote: On Jun 15, 2022, Axel Hecklau wrote:
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts
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On Oct 21, 2022, Bill Palmer wrote: Well shoot, Bill... I'll call you an expert if you won't. |
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