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MagicKim Special user Åland, Finland 621 Posts |
I have heard that Penguin magic renames their tricks, especially the instant downloads, and lately, I have started to become interested in the history of magic and credits to specific effects so I would love to know the real credits and name of the effects.
Thank you. Here is a list of the tricks: Here and There, (aka Ultimate Transpo?), 2 Card Monte(is what blaine calls it), Blizzard, Bottled up, Classic Force, Club Sandwich, Countdown, Color Monte,Cutt and Restored rope, Emerge Triumphant,Killer B, Invisible Deck, One handed card shuffle, Long Distance Spinner, Professor's Nightmare, Painter's nightmare (by luke dancy isn't it? Is that the original name?), Mystery Card, Out of this world (I've Heard there's another routine where you don't need any setup, is that true??). Well, There are lots and lots of tricks and I'm in quite a hurry now so I can write them down if you PM me. Thank you. |
meilechl Special user 657 Posts |
Is this guy for real or just another prankster (it's Nov 1st not Apr 1st)? Most of the items are either marketed effects or Penguin creations. The rest are well known classic plots, sleights and flourishes (with the exception of Proff's nightmare, which is also in public domain).
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Suave Dan Special user Calgary, Alberta, Canada 656 Posts |
I'm pretty sure
Blizzard Classic Force Club Sandwitch Color Monte Invisible Deck Professor's Nightmare are all the original names. |
Mindbender Regular user 125 Posts |
There's a long list of tricks and their inventors at http://www.magictricks.com/library/invented.htm. It won't have everything you want, but it's a start.
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MagicKim Special user Åland, Finland 621 Posts |
I'm for real and I'm rather new in magic. My friend who has been a magician for 11 years told me that they rename lots of tricks and every time we talk about a trick and I use the name PM uses he gets irritated. He told me to ask for help here. Didn't mean to offend anyone, It won't happen again.
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Jonas Inner circle Sweden 1065 Posts |
Hello Kim.
Yes, I heard that they rename a lot of their tricks, ill take a quick look on the list. Okay.. Hm, Killer B, we all know the original name for that effect is 8 Card Brainwave but I am not even close to sure of the name of the creator... They had "Matrix Reminted" which is David Roths effect, called Chinese coin assembly or something I beleave, but they had to take that off. Daley Show is Dr Daleys last trick and I don't know about the creator, Dr Daley perhaps? Pyro Penetration is just Matchstick Penetration, not much to that, no idea who made it... Quantum Bandits, yeah, they credit the real name, Cracy Mans Handcuffs here. But I am curious about the inventor. Ammar was the one that thought of the name Crazy Mans Handcuffs I heard but I'm not sure of the inventor of the effect... But its nice to see that they lately has been taking in contributions from people with original effects and don't resell old effects and rename them.
http://www.youtube.com/jonashaglund < Card flourishes and some other stuff.
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JimMaloney Inner circle 1184 Posts |
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On 2004-11-02 12:44, Harwin wrote: Arthur Setterington. And I believe the name actually came from Daryl, though Ammar was the one to publish it. -Jim
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
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Okay.. Hm, Killer B, we all know the original name for that effect is 8 Card Brainwave but I am not even close to sure of the name of the creator... 8 Card Brainwave was created by Nick Trost. Killer B has a very similar presentation but uses a different method. Quote:
Daley Show is Dr. Daleys Last Trick and I don't know about the creator, Dr Daley perhaps? Yes, Dr. Jacob Daley's Last Trick was published in the Stars of Magic (which also contained Dai Vernon's Triumph routine). There are many methods for this trick now. I'm not sure if this was the first place it was published. As mentioned, "Quantum Bandits" is Crazy Man's Handcuffs. The basic trick was invented by Arthur Setterington, but the exact handling on the video is Michael Ammars and was published in "The Magic of Michael Ammar." This handling has some nice touches that are missing in Tarbel 7. The trick was written up there by Harry Lorayne, but there are mistakes that make it difficult to properly learn from that. Blizzard was created by Dean Dill and Penguin Magic sells Dean Dill's version. Emerge Triumphant is an in-the-hands version of Dai Vernon’s Triumph routine. This handling was created by Troy Hooser and is in the book "DesTROYers." I believe that other magicians created similar in-the-hands versions that use the Tenkai Optical Revolve, but they get into the starting position in a different way, i.e. they are very similar tricks. If you do a search here you can find who these other magicians are. I'm not sure who was first. "Out of this World" was created by Paul Curry and is in his book "Worlds Beyond." “Professor's Nightmare” was invented by Bob Carver.
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meilechl Special user 657 Posts |
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On 2004-11-02 12:23, MagicKim wrote: No one's offended. It's just that it looked like you just picked a bunch of tricks at random and asked about them. Quite a few of those tricks are marketed effects that are sold everywhere by the same name and come from the inventor. Some other tricks were Penguins own inventions (Bottled Up, Emerge Triumphant, Killer B etc.). Most of the rest are known sleights and flourishes that can be taught by anyone (Classic Force, Audley Welsh's Long Distance Spinner etc.). and the few remaining ones are classic tricks that are taught by numerous people. |
Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
MagicKim wrote:
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Didn't mean to offend anyone, It won't happen again. No problem at all. It was a good question. You were absolutely correct that some of these tricks were renamed from their original published names, so the question is reasonable. With the proper name, you'll be able to get the original source if you want. I highly recommend doing that. Color Monte has the correct name. The handling for Color Monte was created by Jim Temple and the script for that trick was written by Emerson and West. I believe that Emerson and West own and sell this trick. It appears that this is the version that Penguin sells. (I have no idea who Emerson and West actually are). The Cut and Restored Rope effect was first mentioned in “The Discoverie of Witchcraft” by Reginald Scot in 1584. The two handlings that are shown at Penguin Magic are both published in one of the Tarbel series, but I don’t recall exactly where or by whom. (I am at work now and can’t check – thankfully! This would take some time to find. There are many Cut and Restored Rope handlings). Meilechl wrote: Quote:
Some other tricks were Penguins own inventions (Bottled Up, Emerge Triumphant, Killer B etc.). As I wrote in my last post, Emerge Triumphant is not a Penguin creation. I'm not suggesting anything untoward by this renaming. I have no idea of the relationship between the artists and Penguin Magic. But some of the names are clearly different and the tricks identical, or nearly identical to the originals.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
West is deceased and Arthur Emerson is alive and well, usually seen at most major conventions.
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meilechl Special user 657 Posts |
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On 2004-11-02 13:48, Bill Hallahan wrote: Are you sure about this? I don't have Troy's book but I'm quite sure that this throwtogether of sleights is an Oz creation. |
MagicKim Special user Åland, Finland 621 Posts |
Ok. thank you Mr. Hallahan! It was of great help!
Regards, Kim |
AaronShields Loyal user 296 Posts |
The Last Trick of Dr. Jacob Daley (the full, correct name)is not in Stars of Magic. It's in the Dai Vernon Book of Magic.
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dchung Special user Montreal 616 Posts |
At the risk of slightly confusing thing, in Kort, Stephen Minch mentions that it is unclear whether Daley was in fact the originator of said trick.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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Color Monte has the correct name. The handling for Color Monte was created by Jim Temple and the script for that trick was written by Emerson and West. I believe that Emerson and West own and sell this trick. It appears that this is the version that Penguin sells. (I have no idea who Emerson and West actually are). Arthur Emerson and the late Larry West. West was the sleight of hand guy and Emerson was/is the salesman. His lecture was the first I ever saw and it was a real treat. In retrospect it was a dealer demo but boy did he put on a great show for a newbie in magic! Color Monte is really just Bill Elliot's "Three Card Monkey Business" with silly looking special cards. My understanding is that the script concept was Temple's. |
rmoraleta Special user Philippines 767 Posts |
Some seems to be original already.
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: In principle, 'Dr. Daleys last trick' is credited, to the best of my knowledge- I might be mistaken- to Clark the Senator Crandall who used another handling and that routine was done extensively by f.ex. Fred Kaps who used it constantly..On 2004-11-02 22:25, dchung wrote:
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Chris Keppel Special user Kansas City MO 544 Posts |
I wish people wouldnt put Penguin in the same catagory as trick rippers. A lot of people don't know this but most of the tricks people say they are ripping, they paid for the rights to those tricks. Penguin owns the rights to almost every single trick on there website. Besides the tricks from other companies, people, ect. Penguin covered there butts when they started all those downloads and such. The reason they rename some tricks is because they own the rights and thought a newer name to an old effect might jazz it up a bit. I do agree that some of those downloads shouldnt be on there whether they own the rights or not.
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