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I want to add a more "flashy" productions of the two silks I use for my TT routine, right now I just pull them out of my pocket, and it's to boring:)
Interested in a flashpaper production.

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Eirik,

Remember that you can get them from the air, your wand, in a balloon, out of a cored apple, from a playing card, and even someone's drink.

Try using a long TT and use cigarette manipulations with it.

Good Luck!

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Lance Burton had a cool silk production with flash string.
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Kregg,

You reminded me of a routine I did in the 70s. To give you an idea of how old it was, I called it color-changing (45 rpm) records. (Silks to Vinyl) The last time I performed it was in Beverly Hills in November 1982 for a birthday party at Tom Fite's house. That house had a beautiful two-story waterfall indoors. And Tom owned the hill!

The introduction was to take a piece of flash string (pulled through the lapel of the coat, like a piece of lint) and let it hang from the fingers of my left hand. A small box of matches were placed in the palm of the left hand. I took out a match and closed the box. In essence the trick was done. It left me clean.

The match was struck, the box picked up in the right hand and the string lit at the bottom. In a flash, there were three 18" silks tied together hanging down in place of the string. Women loved it. (The men always say, "I could have done that!") Back then, the music I used with it was from The Spy Who Loved Me (Nobody Does It Better). In the right audience, it was really playing dirty. You had them for the night. It was very visual magic and worked in any size audience and under any conditions except wind outdoors.

I really hated to retire that routine. But slow elegant magic was becoming a very rare thing. The mechanics and synthetic music were coming fast into the market. The new magic acts began to look and sound like MTV. Lighting and speed became much more important than skill for stage magicians.

I still prefer the relaxed leisure class who appreciate live performances in my audiences to the pre-recorded entertainment junkies. The odd thing is I got my start in the recording studios in the 50s and 60s. Even worse, I got my opportunities because "hot guitar" was replacing skilled musicians. Life changes.

Maybe I should use this routine to introduce the three silks for MisMade Flag? The music will certainly need to change! I don't think this works well with patter. Patter dilutes the impact in this case. Once the silks are produced maybe patter can take over.

Thanks for rattling my brain.

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Bob,
Are you referring to "Silk Serenade"?

I had that in the act a looong time ago. One time when I performed it all the kids cared about was what the name of the record was. (Lullaby Of The Leaves)

I dropped it while people still knew what 45's were.
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Bruce,

Silk Serenade is close enough. In fact I have actually used those props too. That in itself is a great routine. I still have several of the Tenyo Silk Serenade set ups and hopes for a new way to use them someday.

Because I had been in the recording industry in Alabama, Tennessee and New York for years before, colored vinyl records were available to me with the "improvements" I needed. For some strange reason I still keep a red one from the group Alabama in the bedroom.

I didn't waste that routine on kids. It was a woman-killer when done to music and it is the women who ultimately get the tickets sold. They will come to see the same show over and over if they like it. They watch the effect not the mechanics. They don't ignor the music, the costumes, lighting, or motions. They really drink it in and enjoy it.

I find it hard to use music only in a kid routine. Patter seems to work better with kids for me. I know that there are others that just don't have the problem. Dr. Bob Spray is one that uses music well in kid shows. I don't know his secret, but I like his shows. I watched him work again at the Invisible Lodge KonKlave this August for the first time in twenty years. He's just got it.

Getting back to Eirik's question, Vito Lupo would be a good act to watch. I don't know if he works Norway, but he does work Europe and there are videos. I caught his act in Tennessee a while back and was really impressed with his simplicity and excellent showmanship.

Flash string is a good prop. However, the places where we can use such things is a vanishing venue.

Enjoy.

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Thanks for sharing Mr. Sanders. I have to admit that I'm not familiar with the routines mentioned, but even if they are 20-30 year old they still amaze audiences.
Heck, I've seen Finn Jon live and he's been doing magic professionally long before I was even born, he's 30 year old manipulations still kills (perfect presentation and really smooth handeling).

Since I mostly perform behind a bar there are not many restrictions when it comes to flash paper/string and that's why I wanted to make a nice silk production this way, I would go a long way only to get hold of different silk production material..
You think I should do a search for some Vito Lupo material? - he's video is $65 though(!)..

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Eirik,

Flash behind a dark bar would be very effective for a wide variety of reasons. First, there is the simple contrast. Secondly, bars frequently have mirrors, which make the flash more dramatic. Thirdly, since people at bars are also smoking, the flash of lighters alone is too common to get attention. I think you are on the right track there.

The only people who worry about how old a trick or a piece of music is, are the beginners. Things that work, work. Never refuse good surgery just because it has been done before!

There is an old trick called Silkcola that could work well behind a bar. Use clear miniature bottles and it will also stay within your silk and bar magic themes. It will also give good cover for introducing whatever props you will need for your next trick.

At that price ($65), there are probably some other alternatives to the Lupo tape that would fit your venue better. But never miss a chance to see him perform. His ability to maintain audience contact is priceless.

Are you doing the "old" Slydini stiff with silks closeup? The fit with your venue should be very good, if you can keep the silks dry.

Good Luck!

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On 2004-11-03 07:25, Bob Sanders wrote:

"Things that work, work. Never refuse good surgery just because it has been done before!"

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He He, that's the correct way to put it Bob!
Actually my silk knowledge is very limited, the only routine I perform is the "chosen card silk production from a larger silk" and occasionally a "flying silk" at kids birthdays.

But for the card routine with the silk revelation I need the flashy way to produce the large silk.
Slydini material is the way to go about this?

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The Slydini routines have nothing to offer for the original production of the silks. They do offer some alternative effects with two silks once they are in your hands.

What about producing the silk from an egg? I don't recommend egg manipulations because you are probably working at the bar with a mirror behind you.

What size silks are you using?

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Yes, There will be some problems with egg manipulations since there are mirrors behind the bar.
The two silks I use for this is a 6" (Jack of hearts) silk, and I want to produce a 9" white silk.

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Eirik,

If you are behind a bar, it is a simple matter to pick up the silk balled up or in a TT. Ball up a piece of flash paper and place it on your upturned fist. Borrow a cig from a patron, light the paper and reveal the silk from your fist.

The card silk has been around for many years, most magicians use the 'magician in trouble' concept for the reveal. Remove a hank (card silk) from their pocket and wipe their brow. Then reveal.

I find it interesting, you feel that you NEED a flash production. Most bar patrons love to laugh, not be blinded by a flash of light in a dark room. I would say, the flash would blind them long enough for you to vanish from the bar altogether. Now that is a real magic trick. Where is my drink! The bartender vanished!

I have heard the Jay Scott Berry, gimmick may be what you could use as well. Do a search and or visit his site.

By the way, where in the world do you get a 6" card silk?
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I guess there's many "easy" applications to this production, I'll have to try out different thinks.
BTW, I bought 4 different 6" card silks at a souvenir shop in Gran Canaria, Spain last winter.

I'll check the Jay Scott Berry gim. mentioned.
Thanks!

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Hello Eirik,

Flash string, or better yet, flash cord is a fun prop with which to work. The silk from string is very pretty and Marvin Roy and Tina Lennert have both used the principle to produce jewelry. It's trickier than it sounds with silk, however. Silk burns and contact with the flash cord can put a hole in the silk. The timing is extremely important. Fire can be a nice touch. It's attention getting and establishes some credibility. Jim Pace writes about using flash paper in close up situations such as with restaurant magic. You might try his books and/or some of his fire based products. For general bar magic you might look at the video/DVDs of J.C. Wagner, Doc Eason, Scotty York and Randy Wakeman.

Hope this helps.

Stephen
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Thanks for the information stephen, I'v got a couple of things going for producing the silks in a flashy way, both with and without flashpaper.
Hope it works out soon.

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It may not be flashpaper but Losander produces silks from bubbles. And there used to be a trick with bubbles you can light up and then produce the silks from them. Just another alternative.

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Good thinking Jimmy!
I think I'v seen him performing this, can't remember if it was a part of the floating soap bubble act though.
I'll check some sources for instructions on this.

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