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I don´t see little red balls anywere on
my website, sorry. You need glasses De´vo.
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Caution, we all know its Houdinez site, just quit it, stop trying to fool yourself.

Bye.
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Well well well... Harwin hasn't got anything to say for himself.. so he needs the mods to close the thread so he don't have to reply. well I think that says it all.

and Hawrin.. I don't think you are gay.. but you are acting stupid..
I don't know if it's my Norwegian nature to hate you Sweeds, but I find you realy anoying anyways. if you are going to get out of all this you have to stand up for yourself. stop running away from priblems by closing threads. stop saying "i'm not even gona respond to that". that is only a sign of weakness. I always respond to everyone. That shows respect and gives you respect.

Ps. we all know your a magician. that's why we are arguing with your views. why do you prowoke XCM ppl when you are a magician. I have no trouble with you doing magic. magic is great fun to watch. but when you step on my and others toes it's not fun anymore.

If you want to keep your respect don't run. show respect to us, De'vo, jerry and other XCM ppl and we will respect your magic.

agian: I'm sorry for all the typos, and if I have misunderstanded something and done anyone any harm with this post. I take no resonsibility cus I'm F*** tierd.

good night.
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Burns, actually I wrote a long reply to the other stuff written, but I know that you all just will read it and then just deny it all and say I'm wrong and then claim I said other stuff and start new **** so I just took it off again.

I want to close the thread as this thread is for discussing my video and it has gone very out of hand, not any other reason.

Burns, by the way, why even argue with a magicians view when you are a XCM?
The cuts and all that we do are entertaining to Magicians, maybe not to XCM people. So why do you think I put my videos on a Magic site and not a XCM site?

Exactly, I want Magicians to comment and say what they think, not XCM people who aren't even intended to see the video or care at all.

If you want your XCM which is different from magic (as you XCM people also make fun of magic.) then stick to the Handlordz forum, that´s where the people who perform the same way as you hang, not on a magic site.

Its like saying to a girl painting her toe nails do it wrong and start compairing her to some famous painter who made lots of great paitings, its not the same thing, magic and XCM is 2 different things so that's why I do what I do and you do what you do.

As you know I am a magician, why do you want me to behave and use my flourished like a XCM guy?

Thread will be gone soon, ill see if you respond, as said this thread is very off topic.
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I said I didn't mock magicians or magic... but when you mess with MY idols De', jerry, everyone else. I get ****ed.

"I wish you luck in your balance acts too, some day you´ll be able to stand on one leg while whistling, keep trying."

now where are the quote of me ****ing at magicians?

Well I'm sorry for everyone. I was totaly wrong. I always thought you did performances for actual ppl, not magicians at some site. magicians may be impressed by your fast sybils (two havded pivot(spelling?) cutts). But adudience get bored. you even agreed on that. well I (and everyone else) always though that your videos was a part of your real performance. But since you don't ever do flourishes or "fancy card CUTTS" to laymen, I guess thers no discussion. who are we: XCM artists, to discuss what magicians at a site like. how can we know that magicians prefer speedy hands instead of flashy displays of skill? I,WE,XCMppl replied to your video as if it was a part of a display of skill, interpolated in your magic. how could I know that you infact didn't do theese things to the same audience that XCM artists perform for? I gave advice: "skip the crotch, stand up, variety" as if you were doing it to laymen. but I shouldn't give ANY tips to you, cus you don't do this for laymen you do it to magicians to show how fast your hands are (15 charliers in 10 sec, huh?)

I guess it's like you said. In the matter of skill display, flourishin' is like painting toe nails, while XCM is like painting a masterpiece. they differ a lot.
(don't come and say: "I said magic and XCM, not flourishing and XCM, cus we all know that flourishing is a part og magic. or did I get you wrong?)

You say that flourishing is a part of magic, and NOT XCM. But why was there never any magic in your flourish video? wouldn't that just make it a display of skill, a XCM presentation? that why a lot of ppl reply as if it was a XCm presentation. it had NO magic in it. you said yourself that flourish was something magicians did in their magic acts. So in a way I'm not arguing with a magicians view, but another xcm guy.. cus.. whers the magic???? This is a magic forum, where is the magic? if it's flourishing where is the magic?? I hope you see why a lot of ppl (including me) are kinda in the dark here. Harwin... you SAY you are a magician. but I don't think I have ever seen a single magic trick by you.

this thread was about your vid.. but isn't it still? since there were no magic in it, we replied as if it was xcm... xcm by a magician. but you don't want to hear any comments from us. you should be glad that hardcore XCM'ers replies to your xcm vid.. cus wot is realy flourishing without the magic???

You said you wrote a long post, congratulation with writing a lot Hawrin. I even wondered if I had it in me to read you loooong previous post, but I decided to do it anyways, even though I'm even more tierd now that then.

You say you are a magician but why do you comment on two of the very best XCM artists around??

Saying Jerry dances tango with the cards and that De has a black bad over his head? wot does that have to do with your magic? you say that XCM ppl make fun of magic but AGAIN, where is the goddamn magic in your videos????


AGAIN! I'm realy realy tierd... Zzz Zzz I have TONNS of typos in there, and some may give the text another meaning. I still hope you can filter out my views. and sorry if I have misunderstanded anything or done anyone any harm. That was not my intention. I'm a harmless guy Smile

Good night everybody.. if this post getts deleted I'll have it saved. just ask me and I'll give it to ya.
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This thread can be closed now. everyone shud know that wot harwin does is flourishing not xcm (even though it has no magic)

and PS: you may say that flourishing isn't skill-display AND magic, but a skill display performed by a magician.... than wot the h*** is a CROSS ARTIST?
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Burns, we are discussing Flourishes now, aren't we?

I mean I perform flourishes on videos and on magic conventions and such for magicians, and a few in magic routines (That makes sense.)

Then theres a lot of babbling that I havent said,
If you havent seen me do any magic, well too bad for you, a lot of people have.

I have about 10 videos or so of magic on my computer which most people have seen, I have had LOTS more before but I have removed those becuse I didn't like them.

I am, just like burns tired right now, I hope this thread is gone when I wake up becuse it has no purpose anymore as its mostly about XCM people trying ti give me pointless advice that I have no use for as I am a magician and they are XCM people.

Good night.
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Well said Harwin, well said burns. This should be over because it was just a thread for people to comment on your FLOURISHES of cards. NOT XCM or armspreads or any of that. Same with my stuff. I do armspreads and juggle a little and I can do the cobra and flipback and birdy fan and all that. My dvd isn't a xcm dvd like devo or jerry. Its a flourish dvd and that's what harwin does. I respect burns very much for his opinion. I also respect Harwin very much for taking this crap he really didn't need to hear. It was a quick video just to show off his moves. Wheather you like sybils or not you all have to admit that harwin does have great skill. Burns has skill too. Ive seen some of his stuff as well. What gets old is people bashing and talking smack when they have nothing to show for themselves. I hope someday flourishers and xcm can get along. Its an art that needs to come together as one only to grow stonger. Not spit into 2 groups and bash each other and each others material.
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Ps. Just a quick 2 cents of mine. You can check my over 280 post. You will not find one of me bashing anyone. Even if there stuff sucks. Some times you just have to grow up and pass on material which you don't like. If I see something I don't like I just forget it and move on to the next thing I do like seeing and/or performing. I don't keep posting how much it wasnt what I expected. No ones material is what anyone expects. We all think our material is either original, or hell of tight. Truth is that not all of everyone stuff is super great. that's why we have these threads to help improve each others skill, not tear it to shreads because you don't like a sybil. Sure, there are a lot of sybils out there, that doesn't mean someone isn't skilled because they know 15 different sybils. Its more skilled then knowing only one sybil, but you have to admit. There are a lot of everything out there unless its brand spanking new idea, theory, ect. Like armspreads. When they came on the scene they were very original and very flashy and nice. There are over 20 variations in Jerrys book. They are still all great moves but there is 20 variations of the same idea. Just like sybil. I say if you don't like sybil post something like. "Nice work but throw some originality into it." Not oh another sucky old variation. That doesn't help our art. It just divides us as performers and artist. People who bash other peoples material should throw a video up of there own to see how people react to it. They may, or may not be happy with how it comes out. Just respect others if you want respect. Its like the old saying, "due unto others"
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Wow! That's a lot of off-topic posts for me... can I join in too?

*farts*

*leaves*
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The referrence for 20 armspread variations has hundreds of other moves also, not just armspreads and that is because it's an encyclopedia. That's a little different than 6 DVDs with different people just on sybils don't you think? If there were 6 people who all made DVDs on armspread variations, then I'd be with you but there's not.
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Nice kevin, you have to throw in some farts somewhere. That comment stinks, ahhahaa
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Burns, that blogger site is awful...

Like the faded feel of the video. Love the music, who's it by/where can I find it?
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Hehe, its actually by the band that makes all music Penguin uses, its how I found them.

They are called Trancenden, have a great album called Peace love beats, some nice tracks on it.
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Well I bloody well know it's awefull. if you had read my post you would know wot I meant to.

Chris. thank you for your support. I guess the vidoes youi have seen of me is tha old ones at my site. well I'm better now, but thanks. You say that Harwin has taken a lot of crap, that's true. but what van he expect when he bashes De' and Jerry. theese are OUR idols... it's a different thing to bash ppl and bashing their idols.
k. Harwin. I'm sorry for what I have bashed you, which I hope I havn't done as much of, if you take back that crap you said about De' and jerry. I just don't like that. and about that blogger site.. I don't know WHO made that, and I don't care.. it's just stupid.

And to Harwin, why don't you upload some of your magic videos to the magic sites??? seem like you are only doing flourishing which is pointless.. well no that's wrong. you only do flourishies to magicians, and I can respect that.
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If you aimed that towards me, I'm sorry that you judge something before seeing it.
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Aimed what? I just said I respected that you only uploaded flourish videos to magic sites.

the top line is aimed towards kxxcheng, who apparently didn't read my whole post.

and as a side note. I do sybils aswell, but I stick to a few. I do more armspreads cus I have experienced bigger reactions from them that sybils.

Thank you for your understanding.
I still can't respect you if you keep bashing De' and Jerry.

PS: what are you talking about in your previous post?? see what?!
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You only posted this first:

"Well I bloody well know it's awefull. if you had read my post you would know wot I meant to."

That´s at least all that was shown. Then after my post You had edited your post.

My magic videos has been on Plenty of magic sites.

I have had LOTS on Magic video depot but I have removed almost all of them becuse I wanted to clean up space and I didn't want everyone to see my stuff.

By the way, I have only messed De´vo, not Jerry.

I don't quite think that saying that someone dances while he does card manipulation is bashing, its really what he does!

And if you might think that something else were going on, well.. Too bad for you, its Lars fault. That guy only wanted war against HL and other people and he wrote bull about everyone, why the heck would I get paid by Dan and Dave to advertise their products? It doesn't need that, a lot of people likes their stuff.

He also wrote that I said that I am better than Jerry and stuff but nah, I am nowhere close to Jerry, he is great, and I got his book as well. (No, my mother did not order that for me either like Lars said, sigh..)

I like Jerrys stuff but as you compared me to XCM style I compared me to Jerry and De´vo and said that I don't want to be like that or do my flourishes like that.
It´s my style after all, isn't it?

I am still against De´vo as he lately has started supporting the bashing when he a while agi said he didn't want anything to do with it.

It´s silly.
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It's not my war, I can't speak for others.

but you bloody well know that you can't edit you own messages afther another person has replied.. just edit your message now and write "123456789", at the bottom. it won't happen.

and to Jerry. I took dancing with cards as bashing cus you wrote it in the same line as you wrote that stuff about De'vo. if you meant that liek a compliment, like that Jerry makes the cards dance in his hands. ok.

PS thast true. lol. But you can edit a post while another is writing the reply Smile
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