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Joshua Lozoff
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Do chop-type sponge balls exist, as an alternative to the crocheted things normally used with a chop cup> It seems silly to have one type of littel red ball for one routine, and then another for another.

It would be great to have my chop cup ball(s) look just like the balls I use for a sponge ball routine, don't you think?

Are there any other kind of chop cup balls than the normal red crochete balls?
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Hi

Very easy to make - Craft knife, small m****t and some rubber type glue.

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On 2004-11-05 10:04, paulajayne wrote:
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Very easy to make - Craft knife, small m****t and some rubber type glue.

Paula
What about drilling a hole first for the m***** , before cutting it in 2 halfparts? Smile
Oh..why cutting it in halfparts at all???
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Johnny Paul did quite well with his "Chop Cup" routine with ungaffed cups and standard sponge balls. I've heard it was the inspiration for Al "Chop Chop" Wheatly to come up with the gaffed ball and cup combo as he couldn't figure out how Johnny could have done it otherwise.

If you're looking for something than crocheted balls, Frank Starsini has some solid felt ones (gaffed either of two ways, or ungaffed) that work quite well.

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On 2004-11-05 10:14, Werner G. Seitz wrote:
What about drilling a hole first for the m***** , before cutting it in 2 halfparts? Smile
Oh..why cutting it in halfparts at all???


Werner, have you ever tried to drill a sponge ball? I imagine all you would get is a twisted mass on the end of the drill. I don't think cutting the ball in half was Paula's idea anyway, I think she was just thinking about stabbing the knife in deep enough to insert the gaff.
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If the cup has an M in it, the ball can simply have a steel washer embedded just below the surface.

If you are working with traditional cups, you don't need it. The shape of the ball will do the job. Get the Johnny Paul tape from Stevens.
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On 2004-11-05 11:26, Dave VanVranken wrote:
I've heard it was the inspiration for Al "Chop Chop" Wheatly to come up with the gaffed ball and cup combo as he couldn't figure out how Johnny could have done it otherwise.

Al "Chop Chop" Wheatly did the chop cup as a stand up trick in night clubs. Like Roy Benson did the Benson Bowl as a stand up trick.

My father was a great friend of Al "Chop Chop" Wheatly and he had one of his orginal chop cups. It was quite large... Al "Chop Chop" Wheatly was a night club act and would do the chop cup as an encore to his act.

Galli Galli did the card in the balloon as an encore of his act...

Later close up bar magicians started to do the effect in the Chicago night clubs and bars as a close up effect. People like Don Alan and Johnny Paul...

It is interesting that both the chop cup and the Benson Bowl found their way into Don Alans close up act.

Chicago and the magicians that lived there at that time did a lot in making close up magic as popular as it is today. The Chicago magic bars and night clubs were famous all over the world...
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On 2004-11-05 11:29, Dave VanVranken wrote:
Werner, have you ever tried to drill a sponge ball?
Hehhe..I was off topic, thinking of a corkball.. Smile

Anyway, still I don't think it is needed to cut a sponge into 2 halfparts (sorry Paula) as one almost can push the needed round thingy into a sponge, or if not that easy, one can just use a sharp round rod to make a *little* hole and then push that thingy inside..
Yes..I was off topic thinking of another material then a sponge.. Smile
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Seems easy enough to get a cup and a ball to match such that gaffing a ball is unnecessary.

I make large felt red load balls that look exactly like a spongeball. I'm not sure how I'd use them yet but I'm thinking ....
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I think maybe doing spongeballs followed by cups and balls is like doing too many card tricks in a row. Why use sponge balls? Use sponge rabbits. Use sponge cubes. They are better in restaurants, because they don't get away from you when they fall on the floor.
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Good point Bill.

The best application of sponge balls used in 2 effects in a row is on the Carl Andrews DVD.
Very convenient.

I don't think it's a good idea off of the DVD, however, meaning in real life.

I get a lot of magic just getting to the point where I actaully havd 2 sponge balls in play.

Having 3 of them them appear in a cups and balls routine and then using them immediately after seems to take away quite a bit from the actual spongeball routine in my opinion. You've already seen them all.

Very convenient on the DVD, however, cuz..... there they are Smile

Don't get me wrong. Both routines of his are good.
Just not together.

Convenient? Yes.
Teach them on the same DVD? Sure.
Use them together in the same set? No.

I just realized I could have just posted the 3 lines above and that's all; and this post would still maintain the same basic content.

*Note to self*


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Thanks for all the advice. I may try making my own.

I don't think I meant going from one effect right to the other. Even if the chop cup routine was 3 minutes later, I'd still like to use the same balls. It seems to me a pathetic kind of "magician's logic" to pull out small red balls for a piece of magic that are different that the small red balls used minutes earlier for a different piece of magic.

And I'd rather eat glass than use sponge rabbits. Just not my thing, nore my audience's.

Thanks again for all the advice.
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Does anyone know where can I get a deal on a used sponge ball drill? Will I need a special vise? Thanks!
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Try a hot, thick needle.
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Freeze the sponge ball in liquid nitrogen. Move quickly and you can drill it on a drill press.
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Anyone know anything about 'chop' dice? I saw some very nice dice stacking chop cup available in Frank's webside, and was thinking how appropriate it would be if there is a dice version of the 'chop' ball. Is it possible to make them, or are there ready made ones that I do not know of?
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I have been doing the chop cup with dice for years and years. When I started out doing the chop cup it was my closer and I did the Larry Jennings routine. And it is a great routine.

Then I started to do cups and balls and that became my closer. I wanted to do the chop cup but I had to many tricks with balls at the time.

I had Johnny Pulumbo make me a dice stacking chop cup with my name on it. And I made a set of chop cup dice...

The routine I do with it is the David Roth chop cup routine... It has been my opening trick for years and years. Fast and to the point... I did it at the Magic castle...

Using dice or something else makes it a different effect in the minds of the audience...
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On 2004-11-07 22:49, freakshowjim wrote:
Anyone know anything about 'chop' dice? I saw some very nice dice stacking chop cup available in Frank's webside, and was thinking how appropriate it would be if there is a dice version of the 'chop' ball. Is it possible to make them, or are there ready made ones that I do not know of?


I'm working on it as we speak.

The dice will probably look like those in the link below...
I just got a bunch of them to go with the new cup look...

See the black/red cups with white precision dice.

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If one uses a sponge ball in a single cup type routine, experiment sliding the cup forward with a slight friction from the cup on a mat the sponge will come out backward as one slides the cup forward. Some items that are hard will rattle in the cup. I have made balls out of foil before, you can gaff that easily, however it too will make noise. Some choppers have a strong gaff and if the ball is not weighted enough one will find oneself banging the cup like a madman. If this happens I have glued some felt to the interior of the cup to cut the strength .I used black felt and black mat paint, this also helps me with the wand through cup gag. I sometimes use Aldo Columbinis
"can can" move during a 3 cup routine and have found that without the mat black the hidden balls tend to reflect to the non- blinking spectators.
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If the gaff in a chop cup is too strong, and you find yourself banging the cup on the table like a madman, try bringing the cup downward in such a way that the front edge hits the surface first. This solves the problem about 90% of the time, especially with small cups.

The problem quite often is not that the ball is not doing its thing. The problem is that sometimes it bounces back up to the top of the cup.
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To go along with Bill Palmer's suggestion - allow the heel of your hand to hit the table first. This will impact sufficient force to dislodge the ball without the obvious loud sound of the cup hitting the table or mat as it is banged down.
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