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Michael Messing
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Brian,

If you really want to rock the house, I don't think the Passport P-250 will do the job. The P-250 Deluxe might handle it, but they cost considerably more ($850.) The problem with the standard Passports is that they don't really "fill" the room. The volume is plenty loud but, because the speakers that make up the tower are small (6 1/2"), they don't have much bass. You need that bass to make the sound full, and I would think that a band would need that.

The P-250 Deluxe was designed to improve the feel of the sound. They got the speakers redesigned by Bose and they are much better now. I still think the JBL Eons are better, but you won't be able to buy a pair of G2 10s with a mixer for less than $900. A JBL G2-10 sells for about $499 on a regular basis, although I have seen them as low as $445 each. For a good deal on them, check out http://www.riksmusic.com
You have to e-mail or phone them for a price, but they gave me the best deal and they're right here in Knoxville. They also do free shipping.

The nice thing about the JBLs is that you can start out with one speaker and a mixer, then buy a second one later. The speakers are powered by 175 watts each, which is plenty powerful for amplifying mics. You start out with one powered speaker and when you can afford it, you add the second. (I often only use one speaker. It's rare that I really need both!)

In addition, JBL offers a Eon Subwoofer that can be used in conjunction with the G2 10s. If you're band gets big time and you really need the bass, you can add a pair of those. (They are 15" speakers so they are considerably bigger. The G2-10s sit on top of them.)

If you really have to stay at less than $400, see if you can look at the Kustom Profiles System One I mentioned above. It sounded surprisingly good to me when I checked them out. I don't know much about the Kustom brand, but it may be worth a try.

If you have additional questions, please feel free to send me a Personal Message.

Michael
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Wow, there's been a lot of renewed interest in this posting. I still haven't bought a system yet, however I have rented several systems for shows that I needed my own setup. I definitely like the Peavey Escort 2000.

I rented it this past weekend with a Samson UHF wireless mic that is completely self contained on the ear piece. There is no belt transmitter or wires to deal with! I loved it. I'm sure that this is the unit I will buy (besides, the company will credit me back all of the rent I've paid). I encourage you to check out the Samson Airlight wireless mic along with the Escort.
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P-150 rocks my socks off.
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R2
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I too use the Fender Passport p-150 for it's compactness and ease of transport...

Yes the larger venues have adequate sound already in place.

I am quite happy with the p-150.
It does lack the bass punch however but, I don't blare the bass.
Andy Leviss
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Stay far away from Samson mics, they're unreliable, not good sound quality, etc. The only mics I recommend these days are the Sennheiser Evolution 100, 300, and 500 series (well, those and the higher end Sennheiser's of course). The Evo's are very inexpensive, sound great, and work great.

Do yourself a favor and steer clear of Samsons, there's a reason most pro sound guys go with Sennheiser (or Shure, but I prefer Sennheiser).

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I have never had any real problems with the (Canadian Built) Shure Brothers Wireless Mics. Andy, except for the occasional feedback corrections.

I am always open to sound improvement..could you please tell me why you prefer Sennheiser?
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Andy, do you know anything about the countryman mics? They look ultra small, I agree about the Sennheisers, I have 3 421's that I have been using in my home studio for 20 years and they are the greatest. I have some Shure 57 and 58's which are good for what I use them for but I really like the Sennheisers.

Thanks in advance!
Jimeuax

As far as battery powered amps I bet that Carvin would be the best Deal. I use JBL Eons and a little Mackie mixer. I bought 2 Carvin 2000 watt systems for schools that I work with and was amazed at the quality in construction and sound. Really top notch, they sell directly to the public, so you don't have the middle-man mark up.

As far as our uses as magicians I don't think you can beat the JBL's though.

Cheers!
Jimeuax

P.S. Also before you buy any of this stuff check out http://www.musiciansfriend.com
they usually have pretty good deals.... (I have no affliation with any of these guys, I am a Speech/Language Pathologist but I have played in Bands for years) Smile
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Why do I prefer Shures over Sennheisers? Honestly, a lot is just personal preference, I like the sound a little better, and I think the reception tends to be better, but it might be subjective. Lots of rock acts use Shure, lots use Sennheiser; almost every Broadway show uses Sennheiser.

The other big thing is that other than a stupid connector on the Sennheisers (which for our use isn't really a problem, and you can optionally get it with a dif. connector), they are much better built than the Shures. I've heard about Shures, especially handhelds, getting inadvertently shut off due to flaws in how the circuit board is held inside the transmitter (it's mounted in a way that can cause the buttons to be pressed when they shouldn't be, I'm told).

I also think you get more bang for your buck with the Evolutions, since they start in the $300-400 range for the 100s and are on par or better than the Shure systems.

That said, I would never turn away a good Shure system if that's what I got to use. They sound good and are really easy to set up, especially their newest line, which has an automatic scan for free frequencies built into the receiver. I would, however, turn away a Samson unless I was in a tight bind. My current personal mic, which is a few years old and from before I really started working as a sound engineer is a Samson, and as soon as I'm back performing regulary, it's getting replaced with a Sennheiser.

Sony's are good as far as the technology goes, but the sound is less than desirable, and they're expensive as all get out. I don't have much experience with the other brands, but if there are any specific questions, ask away and I can get answers from other engineers and designers I work with.

As for Countryman elements, I love 'em. The B3 is great, and small, and the B6 is miniscule (the mic itself is the size of most other mic's cables, but the cable is proportionally smaller and so is much more fragile). Depending on the singer and the need for size, I equally recommend the Sennheiser MKE-2/MKE-2 Gold, the DPA 4060, and the B3 and B6.

For spoken word, all are fairly comparable. The more subtle differences come with singers, and even there, they're fairly interchangeable and it's mostly a matter of a specific sound designer's personal tastes.
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Alan Munro
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I agree about using a Sennheiser mike. Although I use a wired handheld (an Evolution 845s), it is the best mike I've ever used. The feedback rejection is excellent, although this was often a problem for other brands I've used.
Andy Leviss
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I should point out that my comments are only aimed at wireless mics, not wired. In fact, I usually do go Shure for my wired mics. Even when I spec a Sennheiser handheld mic, I try to get a Shure Beta 87 or 58 mic (for spoken word, the SM-58 should do fine). I just happen to be partial to those elements, which are sorta standard ones in the industry.

I actually haven't used a Sennheiser handheld element in a while, I'm sure they're pretty good, too, but for those I've always been a Shure boy Smile
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Jimeuax
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Andy, I just looked down the list (FX) and discovered you had already talked about the Countryman mics. Sorry about that. Thanks for your reply though, as I am very interested in them and will probably purchase my first wireless system this summer

******Cheers!
---Jimeuax
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Hi.
The best audio system you can get is from a German company called Audio One, now the firm has another name. Here is the website
http://www.tw-independent.de/
I have this system called Audio Baby and it is the best I ever saw. It is completely wireless, also you can have it with a mp3 player, minidisc or cd player. Also possible is a headset and a hand microphone, also you have a mixer on the back. You can also use other hand micros and put it on the aux line. Special offer from the firm you can lease your system for, I think 49€ a month. Smile
Please ask me for other questions

Markus
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Hi Markus.
Thanks for the link to the German sound system. This does look like a great system, unfortunately I could not get the site to convert to English.
I would be interested in the Audio Mini. I believe it is 80watts (from what I could read). Also what is the cost of this system in American dollars?

Thanks for your help.

Rich B.
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Yes, but I think the Audio Baby is better, because you have a UHR insted of a VHF system on the microphone and also you have 15 different channels to choose because of noise or so. I think the price for the Audio Baby, I think is about $2,200.00 and the Audio Baby (where a case is included) is I think $1,750.00. So I prefer the Audio Baby and it is no problem, you can use this system for all shows.

Normally you can make a show for around 700 people. When you are on a town festival or say where they have boxes you can put your one on the others and have a better sound. You understand me?

So please let me know if you have more questions.

I look the prices tomorrow up and write a list down.

Markus
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As a wireless mic specialist, I can tell you it's a common misconception that UHF is better than VHF. For reasons strictly scientific in nature, VHF works better if there are any obstructions between the transmitter's antenna and the reciever's antenna. That obstuction could be as seemingly benign as your own body, so if you're wearing your lav's beltpack on your left hip and your receiver is to your right, it's entirely possible that a VHF system will provide better reception! In the past few years, manufactureres have put MUCH more emphasis on the developement of UHF systems, so nowadays they tend to be more hip, with multiple channels. If you can find a good, multi-channel VHF system, you could be in very good shape indeed.

I fully agree with Andy that your wireless is not a good place to try to cut corners. When the Sennheiser Evolution 100 systems were intorduced, many pros didn't take them seriously at all because they're so inexpensive, but I've had about 15 of them out on shows & rentals for about 2-1/2 years with VERY few problems. For my money, the Evolution 100 system is FAR greater than its price suggests.
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Andy Leviss
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Dan's right. UHF is considered better because, especially when it was new, it was easier to get an open frequency in it. With the advent of digital TV, it's not at all as open as it used to be.

Based on the physics of it, you will get further distance from VHF, but...the better features in terms of other things tend to only be avilable in UHF, as Dan also noted.

That said, I've had better luck in bad RF areas getting open channels on UHF than VHF, but that depends on the area--the last area I had VHF nightmares in was because I was right down the road from a massive police radio antenna.

If you really want near bulletproof reception, you can add powered antennas of various sorts, the most popular for UHF being the "paddle" style. This tends to bring it fairly close to VHF with whip antennas in my experience. YMMV.

In other words, what he said Smile
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Hi. In Germany you must pay every time when you use a VHF system. So here is the pricelist from the boxes:

Every box includes a CD player

Audio Pack $2,550.00
Audio Baby $2,050.00
Audio Lite $1,740.00
Audio Mini $1,590.00
Audio Slave $2,350.00 (Pack)
or $1,990.00 (Baby)
Audio Woof $1,530.00
Audio Base $5,190.00

Options:
Mini-Disc-Player $180.00
Headset $150.00
Lavalier $159.00

Flightcase Pack $265.00
Flightcase Baby $245.00
Flightcase Lite $245.00
The Audio Mini is build in a Flightcase.

Or you can lease the Audio Baby for $49.00 a month and the Audio Pack for $69.00 a month.

Hope I can help you Markus
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Alan Munro
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I sometimes perform in an area where there are TV towers. I couldn't get 15 feet from the VHF receiver without the signal cutting out, completely.

I've run into similar problems after that and I've seen excellent UHF microphones cutout completely, when I was at a huge outdoor concert last weekend; luckily the cutouts, at the concert, only lasted a few seconds.
Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie
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Hi, Alan! Wireless dropouts can be a real drag. Unfortunately, while there are times that a VHF system is a better bet than a UHF system, the flexibility in tuneability is a real bonus in the presence of a broadcast tower. Interestingly enough, you'll actually experience less interference at a close distance from a tower than if you are a mile away! It has to do with the output pattern of the tower's antenna.
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James Fortune
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The BEST sound systems/PAs are:

(for private house work) COOMBER 2700/W
Click Here!

(for cabaret and halls) PEAVEY ESCORT 2000
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Check 'em out

And, no, I don't have money in either company! Smile
Warmest regards
James

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