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Jimeuax
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Andy, I just looked down the list (FX) and discovered you had already talked about the Countryman mics. Sorry about that. Thanks for your reply though, as I am very interested in them and will probably purchase my first wireless system this summer

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Hi.
The best audio system you can get is from a German company called Audio One, now the firm has another name. Here is the website
http://www.tw-independent.de/
I have this system called Audio Baby and it is the best I ever saw. It is completely wireless, also you can have it with a mp3 player, minidisc or cd player. Also possible is a headset and a hand microphone, also you have a mixer on the back. You can also use other hand micros and put it on the aux line. Special offer from the firm you can lease your system for, I think 49€ a month. Smile
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Rich B.
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Hi Markus.
Thanks for the link to the German sound system. This does look like a great system, unfortunately I could not get the site to convert to English.
I would be interested in the Audio Mini. I believe it is 80watts (from what I could read). Also what is the cost of this system in American dollars?

Thanks for your help.

Rich B.
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Yes, but I think the Audio Baby is better, because you have a UHR insted of a VHF system on the microphone and also you have 15 different channels to choose because of noise or so. I think the price for the Audio Baby, I think is about $2,200.00 and the Audio Baby (where a case is included) is I think $1,750.00. So I prefer the Audio Baby and it is no problem, you can use this system for all shows.

Normally you can make a show for around 700 people. When you are on a town festival or say where they have boxes you can put your one on the others and have a better sound. You understand me?

So please let me know if you have more questions.

I look the prices tomorrow up and write a list down.

Markus
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As a wireless mic specialist, I can tell you it's a common misconception that UHF is better than VHF. For reasons strictly scientific in nature, VHF works better if there are any obstructions between the transmitter's antenna and the reciever's antenna. That obstuction could be as seemingly benign as your own body, so if you're wearing your lav's beltpack on your left hip and your receiver is to your right, it's entirely possible that a VHF system will provide better reception! In the past few years, manufactureres have put MUCH more emphasis on the developement of UHF systems, so nowadays they tend to be more hip, with multiple channels. If you can find a good, multi-channel VHF system, you could be in very good shape indeed.

I fully agree with Andy that your wireless is not a good place to try to cut corners. When the Sennheiser Evolution 100 systems were intorduced, many pros didn't take them seriously at all because they're so inexpensive, but I've had about 15 of them out on shows & rentals for about 2-1/2 years with VERY few problems. For my money, the Evolution 100 system is FAR greater than its price suggests.
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Andy Leviss
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Dan's right. UHF is considered better because, especially when it was new, it was easier to get an open frequency in it. With the advent of digital TV, it's not at all as open as it used to be.

Based on the physics of it, you will get further distance from VHF, but...the better features in terms of other things tend to only be avilable in UHF, as Dan also noted.

That said, I've had better luck in bad RF areas getting open channels on UHF than VHF, but that depends on the area--the last area I had VHF nightmares in was because I was right down the road from a massive police radio antenna.

If you really want near bulletproof reception, you can add powered antennas of various sorts, the most popular for UHF being the "paddle" style. This tends to bring it fairly close to VHF with whip antennas in my experience. YMMV.

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Hi. In Germany you must pay every time when you use a VHF system. So here is the pricelist from the boxes:

Every box includes a CD player

Audio Pack $2,550.00
Audio Baby $2,050.00
Audio Lite $1,740.00
Audio Mini $1,590.00
Audio Slave $2,350.00 (Pack)
or $1,990.00 (Baby)
Audio Woof $1,530.00
Audio Base $5,190.00

Options:
Mini-Disc-Player $180.00
Headset $150.00
Lavalier $159.00

Flightcase Pack $265.00
Flightcase Baby $245.00
Flightcase Lite $245.00
The Audio Mini is build in a Flightcase.

Or you can lease the Audio Baby for $49.00 a month and the Audio Pack for $69.00 a month.

Hope I can help you Markus
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Alan Munro
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I sometimes perform in an area where there are TV towers. I couldn't get 15 feet from the VHF receiver without the signal cutting out, completely.

I've run into similar problems after that and I've seen excellent UHF microphones cutout completely, when I was at a huge outdoor concert last weekend; luckily the cutouts, at the concert, only lasted a few seconds.
Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie
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Hi, Alan! Wireless dropouts can be a real drag. Unfortunately, while there are times that a VHF system is a better bet than a UHF system, the flexibility in tuneability is a real bonus in the presence of a broadcast tower. Interestingly enough, you'll actually experience less interference at a close distance from a tower than if you are a mile away! It has to do with the output pattern of the tower's antenna.
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James Fortune
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The BEST sound systems/PAs are:

(for private house work) COOMBER 2700/W
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(for cabaret and halls) PEAVEY ESCORT 2000
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Check 'em out

And, no, I don't have money in either company! Smile
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I know I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but I am looking to buy a system and have a couple of questions. First, I checked out the JBL website for their EON speakers which said they could be daisy-chained together. Does this configuration allow for true stereo sound, or will the output from both speakers be identical? Second, does anyone have a preference between the JBL EON 10 G2 and the JBL EON 15 G2? I ask that question in reference to sound quality, not wieght of the speakers. Thanks for your advice!
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Hello Tony S,

I own a pair of JBL Eon G2 10s and they sound incredible for their size. I have had a couple of dealers tell me the G2 10s sound as good or better than the G2 15s, although I've never had a chance to compare them.

I think the question about stereo versus mono sound would be a matter of whether you are running a mono or stereo mixer. If you're running a stereo mixer, than different sounds would be coming out of the right and left channels and would then go to each Eon. With a mono mixer, it would be the same.

If you're talking about going directly into the Eon without a mixer, than you would get mono.

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If you daisy chain, it's mono, it's basically the equivalent of throwing a Y at the end of the cable from the mixer, with one end going into the first speaker and the other going to a second cable and then to the second speaker.

To get stereo, you have to home run to the mixer.

That said, STEREO IS A BAD IDEA IN LIVE SOUND. The only way to make stereo usable in live sound (as opposed to a movie theatre or home theatre/stereo system) is to have multiple speakers for each side--basically you need an entire cluster on each side of the stage. Each side needs to be able to cover the entire room, at equal volumes such that every member of the audience hears both sides equally. You're not going to do this without very well designed systems using all different types of speakers designed for this sort of work. You certainly aren't going to do it with EONs

If you run stereo sound through a pair of EONs, all you end up doing is causing most of the audience to only hear primarily one side or the other, and they miss out on much of the recorded sound.

The 15 will have a better low end capability, by nature of its larger driver. I can't speak to power, since I'm not familiar with all the specs of the two products.

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Michael and Andy,
Thank you for your quick replies. I'm going to find a local dealer and listen to both the G2 10's and 15's. I like to listen before I buy any kind of sound equipment. Michael, based on your experience with the 10's will a pair give me enough sound to play to an audience of 200 to 300 in a school auditorium? Andy, it's great to get the input of a sound engineer on these issues. I had not thought through the implications of stereo sound that you point out. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Now to pick up the wireless mic portion of this thread, I've used Sampson in the past and I've been mostly fortunate in that they have worked well for me with rare exception. I've found that they do well if you keep fresh batteries in them. Based on feedback here I'll look at some of the units from sennheiser or shure when it's time to upgrade.
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Michael Messing
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Tony,

A pair of 10's will easily cover the room, volume-wise, but depending on the accoustics they may not have the same depth of sound as the 15's.

I recently played a huge facility (20,000 square feet) and the 10's were definitely loud enough to be heard throughout the room but the DJ had 4 powered 15" speakers and really could make the room rumble!

I don't run into those circumstances often and when I do, they usually have a sound system in place. If I ran into that more often, I would opt for larger, more powerful speakers.

I love the 10's. They total 350 watts (for a pair of them) and that's really plenty for most circumstances.

Michael
Tony S
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Michael,
Thanks for the feedback (pun intended). Again, I'll be listening to both speakers as soon as I can. I'll keep you posted (pun intended).

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A good alternative to the JBL's is the Vidsonix Super Nova X12A (kk 450 ) 12" POWERED SPKRS! You can find them on Ebay and they run half the price of the JBL's. Just search on vidsonix and click on the link to look in ebay stores for a great bargain. I'm not the one selling them. Just thought I would pass along the information. They have been available for that price for the last couple of months so I don't know how much longer the bargain will last.

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Tony S
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Thanks, Martin. I'll take a look at that too.
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