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I just read “Presenting Psychic Magic”(1983), by Ormond McGil -- one of the strangest magic books I’ve ever encountered.

There are a number of good effects in the book, including some for a séance. But early on (p.10), he sent my mind reeling with his “Transmitting Images of Playing Cards”: The performer turns his back to the audience, and has them randomly select cards, one at a time, from any deck. The card is placed where all audience members can see it, and they all stare intently at it until the performer successfully announces what each one is.

Now here’s the method that McGill tells you to use: “Your eyes are closed, and you await an impression of the image of the card…Wait for the image to become persistent, and then call out the name of the card.”

McGill’s “secret” is that you’re actually using telepathy to identify each card.

I did a Café search and found, among others, this link that discusses McGill’s apparent belief in the reality of ESP:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=15

This isn’t the place to discuss whether ESP really exists (there’s no reliable evidence that it does, and extraordinary claims require...), but what’s that kind of oddball methodology doing just stuck into a performer’s book of mentalism effects?

Can you imagine what other magic books would be like if they simply told you to use your psi powers to accomplish the effect? Or if books on close up magic told you simply to use your magic to make the thimbles disappear?

Performing would certainly be simple if the world were like that. But it’s not the reality I inhabit.

Have you come across any other books for professional magicians where the “secret” also requires you to have special powers?
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Not quite "special powers," but...

Richard Osterlind's "Miracle Thought Projection": You put a playing card face down on the table. Spectator names a card. They turn the card over. It's the one they named. Method: You really do it.

Luke Jermay's version of "Out of This World": One at a time, a spectator predicts whether a series of cards are black or red, and gets them right. Method: They really do it.

Others?
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7th sense allows you to create the effect described. Also allows you to stop a spectators mind on a specific card. This can even be done in different rooms..
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Ormond has some other "real magic" stuff in his hypnotism book. He says make your assistant's pulse stop with hypnotism (i.e. really make it happen), then goes on to explain how you can fake it.

I think the thing to remember is that while you fake it your inner voice tells you it is real. Itll make your performances more believable and congruent.
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On 2004-11-10 17:01, Jonathan1000 wrote:
I just read “Presenting Psychic Magic”(1983), by Ormond McGil -- one of the strangest magic books I’ve ever encountered . . .

. . . Now here’s the method that McGill tells you to use: “Your eyes are closed, and you await an impression of the image of the card…Wait for the image to become persistent, and then call out the name of the card.”



I'm curious: are there other, more traditional magic/mentalism (i.e. ones that use trickery) effects in the book?
If all the "effects" are supposed to use genuine ESP/telepathy that would be one thing. What would really be bizarre, in my view, is if he combined admitted trick-based mentalism effect with supposedly genuine ESP/telepathy effects in the same book.
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Dear MentaThought:

Using your definition, this book is EXTREMELY bizarre.

There are plenty of effects that use trickery -- some rather good ones by the way -- but then here and there the reader suddenly trips over something that requires supernatural powers! That's what's so puzzling. Smile

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Let's face it
If you bought this book, you were kidded
I did and I was
LOL
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Stephen Minch's "Mind and Matter" includes an item at the end called, "In the Name of Historical Curiosity."
It describes an arrangement for testing and practicing real psychokinesis.

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Worth a try
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Was Osterlind's Miracle Thought Projection published? Did he really say that the method was to use actual ESP?
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Richard published Miracle Thought Projection in his book, Dynamic Mysteries (OOP). In the hands of a confident, skilled presenter, this is pure gold! When it works, it looks like a miracle.
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Jimtron,

No, Richard doesn't claim (nor do I) that the method uses ESP. However, in performing it you are really doing what you claim to be doing: predicting/influencing which card the spectator will name. The method isn't extra-sensory, but relies on rapport, knowledge of human behavior, and balls of titanium.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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One of my strongest routenes or to ask a spec to name any card (no force) wilst they are shuffling a deck then to open the deck like a book its mind-blowing as thay open to the card they chose Smile
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The original post mentioned the following:

Now here’s the method that McGill tells you to use: “Your eyes are closed, and you await an impression of the image of the card…Wait for the image to become persistent, and then call out the name of the card.”

Have done exactly the same myself on a number of occasions and it works.

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[quote]On 2004-11-12 03:06, Quinn wrote:
The method isn't extra-sensory, but relies on rapport, knowledge of human behavior, and "Balls of Titanium".


Sounds "superhuman" to me ! Smile
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This is the kind of thing I do all the time. Take a playing card without looking, then get an impression of it in your mind. It takes practice. It's similar to going up to a total stranger in the street and asking them to think of any word (ANY word they like), and then telling them the word they are thinking of. Some people find this easier than others.

My hit rate is about 1 in 52 for the playing card, and 1 in 10,000 for the word.
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That's not bad on the word hit rate...mine is more like 1 in 40,000. For that one person, though...it's a miracle. I hope they spread the word. Smile

If you want to increase your hit rate on the word effect, try shoving that person from behind, or sneezing on them before asking them to think of a word. You narrow your choices to four letters usually, and can fish for the rest.
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I was that 1 in 40,000 person and I thought Johne was a real miracle worker adn could actually read my mind. It was freaky. But come to think of it, now I realize why you sneezed on me. Good one though!

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Hi all
THe last 3 posts sum it up perfectly
ROTFL
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I fail to see the point of refusing to learn from someone who is admittedly one of the greatest masters of this art.

Ormond McGills books are wonderful.

/Bamba
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