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I've performed All of A Kind. For the correct situation, it creates an effect that is way out of proportion to the method required...
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In my experience Mnemocosis and Devination are both powerful effects providing some thought is put into the presentation. Don't pass these by simply because the mechanics are relatively straight forward. Just my view from performing these.
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Regarding Mnemonicosis: This effect depends on the performer's other skills with a deck of cards, and the ability to think on your feat. It is the same effect that Michael Close performs with the Aronson stack and calls "Jazzin." Masterful and experienced card workers can make this into a killer effect. Lesser mortals will get less out of it.

I have a new favorite effect in Mnemonica, although I just discovered it a few days ago and I'm working on it. But it entertains me almost more than any other card effect I know of. On page 106 of Mnemonica, Juan Tamariz describes the Musical revelation called “Sha-La_La-La-La.” He mentions the song “Oh Suzanna.” It occured to me that you should use this when you have a spectator named Suzanna or possibly Susan or Susie. Tamariz mentions that you can also use any four line poem that has four beats to a line. I immediately occured to me that it should be possible to find other common names that are contained in common tunes or stanzas of poetry. So far, I've gound good ones for these names: Matthew, Cindy, John, Jack, Tom or Tommy or Thomas, Mary, George or Georgie, Jill, Peter, Bill or William or Willie, Richard or Dick or Dickie, Merilee, and Simon. I'm sure there are more out there to be discovered. I also can use four well known snippets of verse: The Jabberwocky by Lewis Carol- Twinkle- Twinkle- Little Star, London Bridges falling down (If you have a british spectator - especially one from London,) and my University of Michigan Fight Song - The Victors. (Yes, I'm a U of M alumnus.)

This can easily be worked into Jazzin' or Mnemonicosis when you get a spectator with a name you can work with.

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Can Mnemonicosis be performed with an Aronson stack?
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On 2012-09-20 07:45, magicman491 wrote:
Can Mnemonicosis be performed with an Aronson stack?


Yes, it can. You could use almost any memorized deck for this effect.
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Hi Dennis, All,

1) Found your points on Mnemonicosis very pertinent. I've recently taken to thinking about how else I could have further strengthened my presentation and method after every performance. As an example I recently performed the standard presentation for a female spec at her 30th Birthday Party. I had the spec cut and they spell their name to reveal their chosen card, the 5C.

It was only as the spec was dealing that it hit me that I'd missed an even bigger effect (users of Mnemonic stack may have got there already).

I was several metres away from the deck and the spec. It was her 30th and she'd chosen the 30th card - and I missed it! I think by challenging yourself to think of alternatives you begin to bring some real creativity and greater strength to the effect and are more prepared every time you perform.

2) Would be interested to hear any views on presentation of Devination style effects. I've found this can generate different responses from extremely strong (almost disturbing!) reaction to much less impactful. The difference seemed to be down to the extent to which the 'process' is demonstrated - verbalising what you're 'seeing' seems to be key in my eperience but would value hearing anyone else's experiences and presentational suggestions.

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Does Bound to Please have an ACAAN routine in it?
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Hey magicman491, I guess if you ask this question in EVERY forum SOMEONE will eventually answer it! I don't have the book or I'd answer it. Also, if you use a mem deck, why not develop your own routine?
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On 2012-09-20 07:45, magicman491 wrote:
Can Mnemonicosis be performed with an Aronson stack?

Yes, it can. You could use almost any memorized deck for this effect.

Only "almost"?

;)
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Magicman - I've had a very, very quick look to remind me - the stack effects in Bound to Please focus primarily on poker deals and spelling effects.

If you're truly fascinated with ACAAN there's some advanced material in the Berglas Effects by Kaufman which has recently been republished. Also Born to Be by John Born outlines an interesting approach. Bear in mind both are pretty advanced so would recommend you get a grounding in more rudimentary effects with stacks before getting into these.
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Magicman - I've had a very, very quick look to remind me - the stack effects in Bound to Please focus primarily on poker deals and spelling effects.

No, this is wrong! It is a memorized stack with which you can do poker deals as well. But that's a side effect. The stack is created to do MD work, not poker demos a. s. o. But you can do many things with a memorized deck which are not specific properties of such a stack. It is nice to have certain things in it as well, but not more. And to see what you can do you should have studied also "Try the Impossible" (Aronson). Jan
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Can Mnemonicosis be performed with an Aronson stack?

Yes, it can. You could use almost any memorized deck for this effect.

Only "almost"?

;)


One of my friends has memorized the Si Stebbins stack. Technically, that's a memorized deck. In this effect, the strong patterns might be hard to hide.

Mnemonicosis can be performed with any memorized deck that looks sufficiently random. What constitutes 'sufficiently random' is left as an exercise for the student. Smile
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There are also a lot of poker deals in Mnemonica. As Jan Forster says, they are not the primary reason to memorize a stack. There are so very many effects which can only be performed with a mem-deck and even more effects that can be performed with a mem-deck that are not dependent on having memorized the deck and which maintain the stack so that you can do any mem-deck routine as well. There are a handful of effects which are stack specific to the Aronson Stack or to Mnemonica, but not very many.Simon and Juan built some effects into their stacks, but many other effects have been created or discovered. For example, I'm fond of Aces Awry from "Try the Impossible." Simon did not put that in when he first created the stack.

This suggest an interesting thoughts. As many of you know, a series of 8 Out Faros will get a deck back into it's original order. Mike Close, and others, often capitolize on this by starting a set two or three out faros from having a deck in their chosen mem-deck order. Then when they first remove the deck from it's case, they give it two or three Faro's which establishes they mem-deck but which appears to the spectators as some pretty thorough shuffling. The question is, what wonderful effects may be waiting to be discovered in deck six or seven of the stack? If any of you are so inclined, I would urge you to download Nick Pudar's marvelous program "Stackview" to your computer. With a single click you can progress through that series of out Faros and at each stage you have a picture of the order the cards will be in. In just a minute or two of looking, for example, I discovered that in the first sequence created with an out faro from the Aronson stack, all four Queens are in the bottom 12 cards of the deck. Specifically they are at positions 41, 44, 48, and 51. A location effect with the Queens can certainly be devised from that knowledge. In the sequence of cards created by doing 2 out faros with the Aronson Stack, the Kings are all in the first 16 cards of the stack, falling at 2, 5, 15, and 16. Additionally, two of the deuces happen to be adjacent at positions 48 and 49. In the next stack there are two Jacks adjacent on top of the deck. (Since these are out Faros, the top card, the Jack of Spades, and the bottom card, the Nine of Diamonds always remain at those positions.

Should any of you be inclined to join in the search, please let us know what you find.

Some will say that the big factor in choosing Mnemonica over the other choices is that you can get into new deck order which is a killer effect. And conversely, you can get from new deck order into Mnemonica. I would point out that there are ways to get into new deck order with a regular deck. See the work of Lennert Green. And, most any magician can get into new deck order during a card routine by switching in the deck. If you plan to do that, then you might be well advised to do a trick or two where the order is maintained and during which the faces are not see. (Which would prematurely betray the fact that the deck is in new deck order.)

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Dennis -

I also have worked on discovering patterns in the stack I use (Mnemonica) after numerous faros. I've been mostly concerned with "orders" after 5, 6, or 7 out-faros with the eventual goal to come up with effects that would exploit the patterns found. Also don't limit yourself to faroing from "home" position:
For example, since you use the Aronson stack, cut card 21 to the bottom and do 6 out-faros. Look at the cards that are now on top of the deck!

There probably should be a whole thread on this topic...
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for sharing that one. I hope that you don't mind if I share your suggestion. To other Faro Guys: if you do what Tom says, you get a 7 card straight-flush in hearts from the AH down to the 8H. Yup, absolutely amazing.

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Nice Smile. Jan
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I'm sure there are lots of other patterns to be discovered....
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"Only "almost"? "

The poker stuff is often stack specific, as are techniques for going from new-deck to stay-stack, full stack, etc.

In he same way that Triple Coincidence is "easy," with respect to how demanding the one sleight is, most memorized-deck effects are more difficult to successfully present than they appear. Eric Mead has good thoughts on integrating false shuffles and false cuts that, while not strictly necessary to do most memorized-deck effects, substantially enhance the deceptiveness, particularly with a protracted memorized-deck routine. Also, Mnemonica uses lots of challenging sleights (and has an excellent section on many of them) that, in concert with a memorized deck, makes for exceptionally baffling tricks. As is alluded to above, though, even the most baffling trick, without more, will often under-deliver. There's a perilous allure to anything "self-working." Every time I've lazily hoped that a particularly baffling trick would essentially speak for itself has been a complete disappointment.
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To R. E. Byrnes,

Magic is, and always will be, a performing art. The strongest impact will be earned by the best performer. Some tricks may be inherently better than others, but the real difference is in the performance. Have you ever wondered why, when you tell a joke you heard on TV last night, you don't usually get anywhere near the laughs that the comedian did? It's because he's spent a long time learning how to be funny and he's told that joke possibly thousands of time before.

I agree with you totally that there is no such thing as a "self-working" trick.

I don't think that I would try to do most any memorized deck effect without incorporating False Shuffles and False Cuts. And I don't think that Mike Close, or Eric Mead, or Simon Aronson or Juan Tamariz would either. Most mem-deck effects REQUIRE that the audience believe that the deck is in random order. The only other way to create that impression is by switching decks. So, if you are going to learn some mem-deck magic, plan on learning one or two false shuffles. The good old Erdnase or Haymow shuffle is easy to master and really fools lay people. Then work on a good riffle shuffle (I recommend the Zarrow or the Heinstein,) and a false overhand shuffle. (I'd recommend you look at all of the overhand shuffle controls and shuffles in Royal Road to Card Magic.)

Then, add some false cuts to your repertoire. They are quite easy and there are many of them in the literature. If I were only going to recommend one, it would be the Frank Garcia Affas Gaffas cut which is in the Card College series.

Thanks for your post.

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What an interesting comparison to jokes - which, where good, are assumed to be "self-working." That really does make the application to magic vivid.
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