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That could be. I have seen various reproduced pages from an original copy but never seen an original.

The gaffed padlocks back then were nuts, if memory serves they were used to look like a bull ring was coming out of someones nose. Sort of a carne freak item.
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Not as old as "The Discovery of Witchcraft" is the French 'trilogy': "Nouvelles Récréations Physiques et Mathématiques", 1785, which is the most valuable for me. While not protected behind a glass shield, it has an important place in my library.

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'Most valuable magic book' can be interpreted in several ways. Valuable in terms of money? Valuable in terms of contents?

"Hocus Pocus Junior" for example is very rare. Only a few copies are known to exist. "Discoverie of Witchcraft" is to my knowledge not that rare and has been reprinted several times.

For example "Physical Amusements and Diversified Experiements" from Pinetti is both very rare and a magnificent magic book with lots of great magic tricks. The Discoverie does not have a whole lot of magic in it and the things that are described are not that great in my opinion.

So my personal vote would go for the Pinetti book.

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Chris would know best, Check out his site too, it's the one I've been telling ya'll about.

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Scot's The Discoverie of Witch Craft is the most valuable book without a doubt. The Magic Circle London has an original copy in its library which I have been lucky enough to look through and touch!
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Hi, everyone
Great question. There were many editions of Scot's Discoverie and they are worth a lot, but generally not as much as other books that exist in only a couple of copies, notably The Art of Jugling and Hocus Pocus Junior. Also considered by collectors as a Holy Grail is one of the four numbered bound copies of the original Annals of Conjuring published by George Johnson.
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Probably not the most valuable book ever but The Magic of Robert Harbin has got to be way up there. I saw someone selling a "photocopy" of that book on a site awhile back and it was up over $600.00. I have always wanted to see that book. Prior to the reprint by Kaufman, Greater Magic was a pricey book too and was off the market for many years.

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Scot's Discoverie is neither the rarest nor most valuable (price wise) book on magic. For example, a pristine first edition of Scot's sold in private sale for slightly over $30,000 recently. However, most first editions of this work do not realize prices that high.

Interestingly, the 3rd (I believe) edition of Scot is more desirable than the 1st as it was the one to be produced in folio size.

Ady's Candle in the dark is decidedly more rare as is the aforementioned Hocus Pocus Jr.

I personally think the Andruzzi books were some of the more interesting modern texts to realize prices of $1,000+.

The Westcar Papyrus, now there is a magic artifact that is both unique (as in one of a kind) and of considerable historical as well as financial value. Sadly, I understand, it has been lost.
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"The Whole Art of Legerdemain or Hocus Pocus in Peferfection" by H. Dean (1763) is one of the very early books entirely on magic. These run in the many thousands of dollars if you can find one. 200 copies were reprinted in 1983 for those interested in the contents.
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Personally "The Discovery of Witchcraft" is a book I do not think anyone would find of interest with the exception of it's value. As far as most valuable for actually using the contents I would probably say the Harbin book and second the Albo series, also have to include Greater Magic.
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I understand that the book “The Discovery of Witchcraft” makes mention of a manuscript on magic that pre-dates it. But no one has been able to find this manuscript, or prove that it even exists. Does anyone have any more details about this manuscript and who may have searched for it? I suspect if it is ever found it would be the most valuable book in magic.
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I believe an original copy of Discoverie (1584) just went for $20,000 on Martinka.

http://www.martinka.com/martinka/auction......ID=13364

I guess the economic downturn hasn't affected everyone??

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With commision, it went for $23,000.00

A proof copy of "A Magician Among The Sprits" sold for $30,000.00 some years back as I remember.

There's never an economic downturn in quality collectibles.
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So have you received it yet Kevin????
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I think one copy of Discoverie of Witchcraft is in Davenports collection.
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No. I was knocking-heads with Blaine over some other Houdini stuff. Smile
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On 2008-10-12 08:56, Mehtas wrote:
I think one copy of Discoverie of Witchcraft is in Davenports collection.


The first edition that sold on the Martinka was the Davenport copy.
It was won by a Scandinavian performer named Lars Peter Loeld.
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I guess this needs an update?
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This is a very old thread that Delimbeau has re-opened and I think that the answer is extremely subjective. It depends how you define "value"; whether it be in respect of content or monetary worth. If the former, there are probably as many answers as there are books but if - as I think was the original ask - it is purely monetary there are only a few candidates, most of which have already been mentioned.

First let's ditch Scot's "Discoverie of Witchcraft". Whilst the second issue of the third edition is likely the scarcest, the first edition will almost always be more valuable. Aside the magic content, this is a very desirable book in many fields and therefore always commands high prices. It is not, however, rare. As an update on price, copies of the first edition in the last couple of years have reached up to c. $70,000. Compare this with the aforementioned third edition, a copy of which a couple of weeks ago sold for "only" $14,000 + commission (in itself a high price).

The Guyot, Dean and Pinetti mentioned in the thread we can also discount, as "comparatively" they are of little value (in any edition).

Of known books on magic, likely "The Art of Jugling" (1st ed. 1612, 2nd ed. 1614) or "Hocus Pocus Junior" (1st ed. 1634, 2nd. ed 1635) would be the most valuable. "The Art of Jugling" was the first book solely devoted to magic in the English language (albeit plagiarised from Scot) and only one copy has been offered for sale in the lifetime of most people who will read this. The six-figure dollar asking price would exceed any copies of Scot's work I know of. Of course, "asking" and "sale" price will not necessarily be the same.

Recent (i.e. last 10 years or so) copies of "Hocus Pocus Junior" have "only" reached the c. $36,000-$60,000 price range. These have been later editions. That said, a first edition certainly would achieve a price well above that, if one were to emerge - unlikely since none has been seen since the 1930s. In the event that it did, it may well exceed those prices recently realised by Scot first editions.

Probably the most valuable book on magic is one that we do not yet know exists, or suspect that it does but a copy has never been seen. For example, some may be aware of Prevost's "La Premiere partie des subtiles et plaisantes inventions". It is a French illustrated book devoted solely to magic that predates Scot (by only a few months). As it is not in English it doesn't get as much attention but is arguably much more exciting from a purely magical context. For those French readers, you will note that Prevost's book was the "first part" (i.e. premiere partie). If a second part were to emerge, I would warrant it very valuable indeed.

The potential "second part" of Prevost is but one example. Lost manuscripts or other early works (most likely in Italian) may also compete. The fact is, though, that regardless of content the majority of the market is English speaking, so early English works are likely to continue to command the highest prices, regardless of their rarity or importance. We must also remember that our field of interest is very niche. Another book with magic in it but with much wider appeal would attract more attention and - potentially - command a higher price; i.e. the high prices seen recently for first edition Scot's are predominantly NOT due to magic collectors but collectors with other fields of interest.
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