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Patchouli
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"De rien cher Todd !"

And What about your words "graveside forum" ?

Cordialement, Patrick.
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The spooky, the mysterious...the bizarre!
If graveside magic is your thing...

That is the forum I referred to. It's on the menu above this forum and is for people interested in bizarre magic.

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As I explained to Todd on another table on the Forum café :

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On 2005-01-23 23:06, Patchouli wrote:
"Grand Guignol" is very different from "Guignol".

The first one is a form af theater played by comedians on stage. It is very violent with magic effects to make the brutality more realistic (blood, murder on stage, etc...) Smile
Guignol, the puppet is (in opposition to Polichinelle) very sympathic, have good principles; even is sometimes he hits the policeman with his wooden "bâton". Smile

The reason why the Grand Guignol uses the identity of the hero from children is based on confusion between Guignol and Polichinelle. (Even French people don't know that).


"THEATRE DE GRAND GUIGNOL"
Oscar Méténier bought an old chapel in Paris where was distinguish small cabaret called the "Théâtre salon". He presented inside small acts alternatively comic and fear. To make fear they used a lot of illusions and FX. To be complete I must admit that the shows used to be realistic and what we can tell (today) a bit sexy. But in these years it could be considered as nearly pornographic. (André de Latour, "comte de Lorde", is the author of most of the drama of he theater of "GRAND GUIGNOL")

And now...

"THEATRE DE GUIGNOL"
Guignol is a Puppet which was created by a friend of a (tooth taker) "arracheur de dents". Guignol was at first presented on public markets for people come to approach the tooth taker. But he was so successful that he became a star in LYON and was next presented in an important café (like here but not virtual). Guignol spoke to workers at first. Guignol was speaking on what were going wrong. So, all the workers could identify themselves to him. It was the first political marionette. (I guess you have TV program called spitting images)
Afterward he became the emblematic figure for kids marionettes. Because of JB Onofrio.

Cordialement, Patrick.
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Ooooooooops, sorry.
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I am living.
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"Grand Guignol" is something I have loved the idea of ever since doing bizarre magic. The two venues I'd love to do is a classily inspired (because by today’s standards and expectations an authentic one would be boring) Victorian style séance. I esp. love the ideas Lee Earle gives in his set manifestations, and a Stint at Grand Guignol (which was recently referenced in West Wing by Martin Sheens president character. That too is biased by the short example in Interview as Todd mentioned already. The closest I have ever seen of GG style are the horribly so bad they are good Horror movies like I spit on your Grave and 10,000 maniacs 8 the movie not the band)The one I remember was when some guy chopped up beautiful women for a dinner and another were a ballerinas feet were sawed off. Although Kill Bill Vol !'s Blue leaves Chapter was so over the top in gore it almost qualifies
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Wow! Every once in a while, something hits eBay and this is a good example. There are some nice puppets in this group. The were carved by the best of the American puppet makers, Foy E. Brown and George "Pinxy" Larson.
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There's a Punch and Judy set on E-bay.
Looks classic but so is the price.
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That is a beautiful set Todd, thanks for sending the link. Pricey as hell, but very very cool. Looks like it's worth every penny
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Dear rossmacrae,

Palare is mainly gay men's slang used before being gay was legalised in Britain in the 1960's. It meant they could talk to each other in public without being understood.

Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari
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Wow, 16th and 17th century Italian and French theatre, Kill Bill, and gay Britain in the 1960's; all part of a response to a question about a puppet show script! I'm impressed. Very interesting reading.

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It's amazing how a topic can sometimes flourish in interest ring directions, even online!!
I have not found a set that I feel is authentic (most are plastic sets) that set that was on eBay when the topic opened was great but PRICEY!! Also I'll need to find a good script that catches the theme but can be modernized enough to keep an audience entertained in today's settings. (At least at our Renn faire modern references are used to keep current but in a Renn feel.
Of course I am sure that putting a decent looking set, "stage" and puppets will be costly in any case.
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