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davidmagic
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I noticed that both Cellini (on his Do Anywhere DVD-Jumbo coin routine) and Tommy Wonder with his Zombie explantion on his tape series both use a similar type of silk. It appears thicker than the usual silk, and almost has a crepe look to it. Does anyone know what type of silk this is? It seems to have a very nice drape and while probably not good for production or palmo/change tube etc. work, looks superior for those purposes. Any help would be appreciated.
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I am sure that it is a heavier silk. I make Dale Salwak Zombie foulards using three layers of 8 mm silk.

There are so many types of silks it will bogle your mind. Unless you know some kind of momme weight on it it is hard to tell what it is.
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Tommy Wonders foulard he uses for Zombie is just good quality mens clothing fabric. Go to a good taylor shop in your area and look at the samples. You will find great material there.

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A lightweight wool or like an Egyptian 120 cotton?
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It also might be Thai Silk that is very shiny and a bit thicker than ordinary thin silks used for productions.

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I too am looking for a source for a silk like Cellini uses on that DVD.

I found a yellow 24" cheap old synthetic something (rayon?) one that is perfect except it is too translucent and I need it more opaque. It is working now for practice but I just did the routine at a magic meeting, and the transparency is a problem unless the handling is more than perfect. Plus I think a red or blue gives a nicer contrast for the coins.

I have a show in a little more than two weeks, and wanted to do this routine. But I need the right "silk".

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Cellini was supposed to be at SCAM next weekend but cancelled out. I will try to get some contact info so I can get in touch with him and find out what he is using.

I will also talk with Losander and see what his ideas are.
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Thank you , Richard. We look forward to the answer(s).
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Can somebody tell me what is the size (thickness) of the thinnest silk our magicians use please? Is it 5mm or less than that?
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There are some 4mm silks made. They are not very common in this country because of our laws on flammability. They really go up in a hurry. Most are 5 mm which I still consider too thin to be used on a regular basis without wearing out quickly.
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Thank you hugmagic. Would you suggest 5mm silk for doveworkers? Thanks for your input.
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Knmagic,

The 5 momme silk is exactly what I usually use for dove magic, etc. When I use 8 momme, it is usually a printed silk, or some bag trick. We use layered silks for Zombie. It gives the illusion (what a word to use here) of being a transparent silk because it has about a 3" margin that is only one layer. Now my secrets are known!

The real problems with lighter silks is not strength. They are very strong. However, as the momme score falls, the looser the weave. Most of the damage to a silk comes from things pressing against the interior surfaces and disturbing the weave. I have certainly ruined more silks with my thumb than with a heavy load.

While I'm sure I have some silks that are 40+ years old, if you are a working magician, silks are supplies like cards, ropes, and newspapers. In comparison to what we charge for services, they are bargains. It is unreasonable to expect them to last more than about 600 shows and still be in their prime. Doves have nails. That adds to the problem. Dove nails are just as damaging to an 8 momme silk as a 3 momme silk. It is a cost of doing business. Keep plenty on hand and purge the inventory from time to time. Don't let silk conservation cost you a good show.

Enjoy!

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Bob,
You mentioned that Dove nails ruin silks.
DO you clip the nails of your doves? DOes that help?

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Bruce,

Clipping nails should help. I just don't get around to it.

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Thank you Bob for shedding some lights for me. I was looking for the silk that Amo Levkovitch used in his show when he tied a knot on the silk and just with a flick of his wrist, the knot came undone. Is that a 5mm silk?
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Knmagic,

When I saw it done Tuesday night by someone else, it was! I doubt that it would really matter what cloth was used within reason. I've seen it done many times with a cotton handkerchief. (It is a favorite old cowboy trick. The patter is usually something about getting married and tying the knot but he got lucky and got away. I wish I knew the true origin of the trick but it is probably hundreds of years old.)

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Thanks Bob, the reason I asked because when I tried with the thicker silk than the one I got from Amo (he gave me one of his silk) the knot did not come out that easy. Someone pointed me to the Thail silk website and they have 5mm silk so I want to make sure before I order it. I mainly use those silks for production. For the dove bags, I use the thicker one so it won't get damage easily.
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Ok guys, I think I have found the answer on the zombie cloth. I will go to the fabric store and see what I can find there tomorrow.

What colors and sizes are we going to need? 30" or 36". Red, blue, burgandy. I don't know what is available but I will see what they have.
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Guys,

Richard is also slipping a secret question to you. Your Zombie gimmick needs to reach from the palm of your hand to the bend of your elbow. The right cloth for you is going to be twice that distance. Otherwise, on stage you will appear to have a "right-handed" or "left-handed" Zombie. (The center is way over there!)

I'm only 5'9" and wear a 33" sleeve. One size does not fit all. (We short guys often wonder for whom the props are made.) Want a real laugh? Watch a guy my size tie two 36" silks together and try to use them without dragging them on the floor. Small women must really wonder who decided on the sizes.

Thanks Richard. It is a very real question.

Bob
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Ok guys, I went to the fabric store and I have an idea of what is available in colors. Let me know what you need and I'll see the exact color. Roughly, a 36" or less will run about $35.
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