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Kjellstrom
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On 2005-01-30 16:52, implicit wrote:
How much did the magnetic street shells cost you?


I bought my Magnetic Shells from http://hocus-pocus.com/ for 95 dollar.
TIP: do not overuse the advantage of having magnetic peas.
Use it sparingly, combine it with the standard moves.
Also, do not let the specator lift the shells if you use magnetic ones.
Switch the magnetic peas to standard ones before yo let them check them out.
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Perhaps I am werid but I feel that the routine is more important than the props. The routine has to be fun and entertaining. Good props are a must but Max Malini used glasses covered with paper for his cups and balls routine.

You can do the misers dream with a sand pail. I fact I think Charlie Miller used a plastic one on one of his video's.

The props are not as important as the routine and the entertainment value. Because it is the entertainment value that what makes us money in the entertainment market.

To see my shell routine check out my web site below.
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I agree 100%! And add, there's nothing wrong with nice props either. Smile

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There is nothing wrong with nice props. However, the don't make up for a poor routine and bad execution. Spending money on props does not replace spending time practicing and rehersing!
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I agree with you fccfp and would also like to add performance time and the experience of entertaining in front of real audiences.

That "perforance time" gives magic performaers the "performaers edge" and I feel is an important part of practice time too!
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There is nothing wrong with nice props. However, the don't make up for a poor routine and bad execution. Spending money on props does not replace spending time practicing and rehersing!


So I guess we all agree:

1. Entertainment is paramount and being competent is first and foremost.
2. There is nothing wrong with nice props.


I would venture to say that anyone in themagiccafe that thinks otherwise, meaning that does not know and agree that entertainment and performing a routine correctly and competently is paramount, should be in a different field.

So, it really goes without saying that nice props does not make the magician/entertainment.

Conclusion:
A discussion concerning props should not be taken as an indication that we are forgetting the main reason we are magicians/entertainers. Smile)

So we can stop the loop here. We agree that although nice props are ok that being competent is most important.

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A good routine is the most important. Nice props just aid the good routine, and are icing on the cake.
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Still, no one answered your question about the La Maggiore shells. I love them. I have both them and the SFS street shells. It's apples and oranges. (I also once owned the Karl Fox brass shells and peas...no comparison, both SFS and LM shells and the SFS peas are light years ahead of the Karl Fox shells and a few others I have run across).

The LM shells do handle and load easier and cleaner on the basic moves. The SFS shells are smaller but on many of the other moves other than the "basic" moves the slightly smaller shells work better.

I use them both, but with a slight nod to SFS...for now. Next week it might be different. They are both wins and I have received exemplary service from both manufacterers.

You are in the nice situation that you can't make a wrong choice if deciding between these two types of shells. If you are just considering the LM shells only for some reason, go for it.
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To answer the other half of your question: Not all routines are "interactive" where they pick the shell. Besides Charlie Fry's, check out Bob Kohler's "Golden Shells" video. It's interactive enough to not alienate your audience, but basically he does not let them choose the shell. He keeps the patter moving and is one step ahead of the audience all the way to the end. He also uses the glass cover finale that you were asking about.

The Bob Sheets video is good too, but it's very short (18 minutes) and you're buying it basically for one move. Go for Kohler first, the handling is very simple and to the point.
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Glenn Bishop, I watched the video at your website and they are really good and informative. Thanks for putting them out there for us to view. I really like the way you perform. Hope to run into you one day at Magic castle.

Ken
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Thanks Mota and Dave. I just purchased the S4S shells. Later I may get the LM shells to see the difference. I am glad you mentioned the B. Sheets video and the one move. Maybe when I improve my shell game I'll check out the move.

I do like the non-interactive shell game as a public service.

Thanks again,

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John

I have the mag. S4S shells and the LM shells and both sets are excellent. There are quite a few threads on this board about them.

Regarding the Bob Sheets 'move' - don't wait until you "improve" your shell game before you get the tape - the move isn't difficult and I'm certain if you wait you'll wish you'd got it sooner. A great tape.

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Glenn Bishop, I watched the video at your website and they are really good and informative. Thanks for putting them out there for us to view. I really like the way you perform. Hope to run into you one day at Magic castle.

Ken

Thanks. Me too. My shell routine uses a soft pea and the close up mat. I do not like the hard pea when I started with the shells I found the soft pea better for me and you get lots of peas out of the cutting of just one sponge ball.

My routine is now my first e-book in PDF format...

Thanks again...
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The new dvd by Bob Sheets and I called "Introduction to the Shell Game" will contain Bob's acquitment move and many other important ideas. Future S4S dvds in this series will expand on this even more.
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This morning I was driving my son to school. I said, "Hey, Mikes, I'm getting my new shells today."

Mikes: Why?

Me: I don't know I just want to see how different shells work.

My Little 4 year old chimes in: Dad, you should get some new ones so that little sponge thing doesn't come out.

Me: What?

Julie: With the shells you have the little sponge thing comes out when you move them. You should get new ones.

Me: OK?

Julie, my 4 year old, memorizes all the patter for my tricks. She tells me when I miss a piece while I'm rehearsing in the car (just patter) or at home.

The problem now is that she is running around repeating:

Never eat at a place called moms....
.....
.....
....and never play games with another man's nuts!

Oh well.

John
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My daughter is now 25 and expecting her first child. I intend to teach my grandchild the same first nursery rhyme that I taught my daughter when she was four:

"Inky dinky parlez vous,
I'll tell you what I'm gonna do:
A little game from Hanky Poo
Two for me and one for you--
If you have nerve,
then you'll have plenty--
five draws ten,
and ten draws twenty..."

It sure confused "the authorities" at kindergarten. Smile
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Hey Whit,

Do you still have that "Crisco" table? (heh,heh)

John
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On 2005-02-25 16:10, johncesta wrote:


Hey Whit,

Do you still have that "Crisco" table? (heh,heh)

John


Nope. Found a sucker. Smile
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Here is a thought I've been tossing around. (Vernon talks about this.)Having the spec pick a card in the three card monte gives too much of a sting. I think this should be applied to the three shell game as well. (I'm not sure how yet but I'm working on it.) The shell game should be routined in such a way that the spec never apeears to be an idiot unless of course you are playing for real money.

Randy
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On 2005-03-08 13:48, rnaviaux wrote:
Here is a thought I've been tossing around. (Vernon talks about this.)Having the spec pick a card in the three card monte gives too much of a sting. I think this should be applied to the three shell game as well. (I'm not sure how yet but I'm working on it.) The shell game should be routined in such a way that the spec never apeears to be an idiot unless of course you are playing for real money.

Randy


Charlie Frye has a nice presentation along these lines. He even wears a shiny purple coat and a slicked hair wig.

It's in his Eccentricks II DVD.

John
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