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silver
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I have heard quite a lot that PK Silverware is better. So I guess it's true! Smile Anyway, liquid metal looks very impressive as well but I guess you should go for PK silverware.
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I have both, and I wouldn't say one is better than the other (although Morgan clearly uses much of Banachek's methods). It depends soley on what kind of presentation you're looking for.

If it's stage/parlor with a mentalist theme, go Banachek all the way. If it's walk-around in a festive atmosphere, go with Morgan's Liquid Metal (and throw in your own personality).

No doubt however, that you'd benefit from owning both.

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Okay, I'm going to say it. I'm not a spiky haired 18-20 something performing on the streets for twittering half in the bag bleach blonde bimbos (although sometimes I wish I were). What seems to have happened here is fairly typical in magic today, Morgan has packaged his routine of existing, aka: invented by other people, methods. So what he is selling is a routine, a presentation. There's really nothing new or innovative. As far as talent is concerned, he has talent, but his style won't be for everyone. If it fits your style then take advantage of Morgan giving you his work to use. But I think anyone with a good knowledge of metal bending could develop their own routine.
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Silverware is more "mental"
LM is more "cool"
Kuff's is more "teaching material without permission of the inventor"
Bavli's is more "weak than the others"
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Pk silverware is where it started...and is good to see banachek at work
liquid metal is extremely good in developing the ideas on silverware.

my advice...get both, watch banachek first and then develop your own take on it!

also, remember mind bender is a good basic dvd too, for the optical bend
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Also, anyone who's actually watched the Liquid Metal dvd will know that Morgan is a terrific performer and his success can't be attributed to only a good agent.

I have actually watched the Liquid Metal dvd and I have to disagree. Or maybe I should say that I don't like his performance style - he may be a good performer in his own right, but definitely not my idea of a good performer. I had heard a lot of good things about Morgan until I bought this dvd - once I watched it I really couldn't figure out what the fuss was about. Sure he got reactions - but I'm sure most of us who have performed metal bending have got reactions like this. I even had someone run away from me - but that's not the point. Reactions like that are only really entertaining to the person performing and maybe some of those around who think it's funny. It's like live candid camera. It's great for stroking the ego - but that's not all that magic is about. Maybe Morgan would disagree..

I agree with most of the others in this thread. Banachek's PK silverware (and PSI series stuff) and then Kuffs (it's like an encyclopedia of metal bending - he does seem to give credit here and there). I didn't enjoy Bavli's style - but I did learn a lot from his videos. Liquid Metal - well I really felt like I've wasted my money here, but I guess it does give me the right to take part in this conversation.
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You know, it is because of this thread that I bought PK silverware... can't wait till it comes!
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I have both and love both of them. I was a bit skeptical of Liquid Metal cause of some of the negative reviews. I got it and put what I could use and what fit me into action and it has paid off. I don't do all of the phases but the ones I do use, I will continue to do. Morgan's misdirection is timely and right under their noses.

Morgan gives credit also. Granted, his style is different but he throughly explained everything and Jaysin was a very willing student and didn't interrupt.
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I say if your a younger person get liquid metal but if you want a more elegant routine get banachek.
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I have all the DVD's as anyone who is interested in ths area should have. I have found Dominion forks to be very usable and sell at Wallmart for 6 for $1.00. I also use their spoons. There is also fork in one of the Discount or Dollar stores with a different design, but they are about 4 for a dollar. I have been doing this in a platform routine at the Houdini Museum in Scranton for the summer. Here are a few personal takes after doing it a while.....

I have found fork and spoon bending is too unbelievable to just go into in a mental routine. It needs to be set up first with some other simple PK or Poltergeist or "psychic energy" effect. A pen that moves or a penny that bends slightly in a spectators hand. Even a key. I love much of the liquid metal routine, but feel the first fork should not have the corkscrew bend. It is too much too soon. Too unbelievable off the top. It may play well on the streets as an opener where it is necessary to grab a crowd.I find it is more amazing later with the second fork in the spectators hand as a surprise. So I first do the tine bend with the shaking display ala Banachek (I believe), being careful not to break the first fork. Not having the corkscrew allows me do show it more cleanly and to bang it on a surface. Then I have the helper try to push the tine back while I am holding it in my hand and they cannot, being careful to support the fork so it does not break. Then I go into the melting and breaking ala Liquid Metal with the spectator on my right. I try to set it up so the audience sees the "melting" before the volunteer even though they are touching the fork. Now I move on to the second fork. I again to the tine bend with their fork that in most cases they have been holding so the fork is "clean" in the audiences eyes so the tine bend is still a surprise. I again have them try to push the fork tine back. This gives me a chance to put in a 45 - 90 degree bend for the illusion on the Mindbending DVD which plays very strong providing everyone has the sight lines to see it. As I display the results around I bend the neck even more setting it up for Liquid Metal's corkscrew. I "straighten out" the fork putting in the corkscrew. Unlike when the corkscrew is in the first fork, in this case it does not have to be perfect. Now the corkscrew is a total new surprise and it happens in their hands. From there I go into the rest of the Liquid Metal total messing up of the tines and fork for a great souvenir. I do not like the pulling up the sleeves part as I feel it is too magician like so I just bend the other tine in a more classic way. This is my thoughts and would like what others have found that are doing this type routine. I am leaving out some other ideas and touches that are mine, but this is much of it

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If I got banacheks pk silverware... how long would it take before I could perform the effect? is there anything needed for the effect lik you need to have on you? ( just a yes or a no )
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Yes you probably need a fork or a spoon. Your choice.
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On 2005-07-23 16:22, exohordon wrote:
Yes you probably need a fork or a spoon. Your choice.

I'd go to Wal-Mart to get a box of cheap bendable forks.
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I would have neevr guessed.. lol it cant only be forks or spoons can it? or are those just the traditional items?
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Well, being fairly new to the Magic Café, and also being a NEWBIE to Mentalism and Metal Bending, but also being an owner of both the Silverware DVD and a couple PSI DVD's of Banachek's, plus Morgan's L.S., I took time to read every post here, to get a feel for what everyone thinks.

I have to agree with those who have stated that it is best to begin with Banachek's stuff, as he really is the guy who has 'paved the way' for everyone else, IMHO.

I got Banacek's first, only because I hadn't heard of Morgan yet. I ordered Liquid Metal last fall. It is very good as well, but a lot of Morgan's stuff really is based on Banachek's; just different routining really. My style is VERY different from Morgans, so there wasn't really a lot of 'useable' stuff on his DVD for me.

But I have to say I 'am' happy I bought it; for reference down the road. Morgan does do an excellent job teaching and explaining his routine, no question or complaint there. I haven't had the pleasure yet of seeing Kuffs stuff.

However, if you are just getting started, I would probably recommend getting Banachek's first, and then if you want to add to your library, try something else; either L.M. or Kuff's.

For me personally, I have found all I need to develop my presentation between, Banachek, Richard and James Biss. I've taken a little of each of them, and come up with my own routine.

If you are SERIOUS about Metal Bending, and the Psychology behind making it convincing, I don't think you will be at all disappointed with Banachek's material.

Even the Optical Bend is based on Banachek's moves.

Just a few thoughts from a newbie.


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HI there,

I have both PK Silverware and LM and I feel that they are both excellent.

Yes, LM uses a lot of what Banachek taught but in a different style.

I like the complete LM routine but, at times, I like to do the more subtle bends from PKS. Having learnt both gives me a lot of flexibility.

I showed a cleaner from work the LM routine the other day. She was blown over. What made me laugh was that the fllowing day the door bell went at work. The cleaner was there with a man she intruduced as Jim.

He took a knackred old watch from his pocket and asked me to start it!!!!

I had to work hard to get out of that one without upsetting him or his beliefs.

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HI there,

I have both PK Silverware and LM and I feel that they are both excellent.

Yes, LM uses a lot of what Banachek taught but in a different style.

I like the complete LM routine but, at times, I like to do the more subtle bends from PKS. Having learnt both gives me a lot of flexibility.

I showed a cleaner from work the LM routine the other day. She was blown over. What made me laugh was that the fllowing day the door bell went at work. The cleaner was there with a man she intruduced as Jim.

He took a knackred old watch from his pocket and asked me to start it!!!!

I had to work hard to get out of that one without upsetting him or his beliefs.

Ian
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HI there,

I have both PK Silverware and LM and I feel that they are both excellent.

Yes, LM uses a lot of what Banachek taught but in a different style.

I like the complete LM routine but, at times, I like to do the more subtle bends from PKS. Having learnt both gives me a lot of flexibility.

I showed a cleaner from work the LM routine the other day. She was blown over. What made me laugh was that the fllowing day the door bell went at work. The cleaner was there with a man she intruduced as Jim.

He took a knackred old watch from his pocket and asked me to start it!!!!

I had to work hard to get out of that one without upsetting him or his beliefs.

Ian
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Both offer great materials on silverware-bending.
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