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Muddy
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I use magic casually at parties and family get-togethers. This is all relatively new to me. I've found that when a trick goes off well, that I am sometimes asked to repeat it either for that person or for someone else. So far I haven't complied. How much time should pass, generally, before you perform the same trick in the presence of someone who has already seen it. I asked "in general" because I am sure that the answer is different for different effects. I am just looking for some general guidelines.

Example: ID, Ambitious Card, and revealing a "cut to" card in ashes on my arm impressed my sister in law today. She insists that I show it to her boyfriend, friends, etc when we all get together for dinner tomorrow. I would essentially be repeating the same tricks in her presence ... is it too soon?

I know I could show them different things, but keep in mind that magic is new to me and my arsenal of presentable material is quite limited.
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It all depends on how well you do your tricks. I would say that if you really have your stuff down, tomarrow night is not to soon. But if the trick you do can be figured out I would suggest you not do it again. Others will probably hate me, but I think that it's ok as long a you play it smart.
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I get this often since I perform in restaurants. If you feel comfortable doing a repeat, then do so (but only one repeat). I found that if I change the pace a little or can substitute a little extra (or less) patter depending upon the effect it helps me feel that I'm creating misdirection from the original time they saw the effect. Give a specific effect and perhaps one of us from the "cafe" has an alternate way of performing to share.
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If the effect can be done using a different method or you can change your routine like the Ambitious Card you mentioned there should be no problem doing a repeat.
Another "out" is to do something totally different or "better" than the one you just showed, that should get their minds off of a repeat performance.
You stated that "This is all relatively new to me", maybe you should wait until you have a good arsenal of effects (and maybe more skills?) before performing at a group setting. I don't know your skill level so please don't take what I said with offense, sometimes the urge to perform overpowers our will to hold back and wait until we are better able to handle a performance before a group of people. Also remember that people attending a party (especially with adult beverages) can be pretty harsh and sometimes downright rude.
Others will have better advice than I have given, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents worth Smile .
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Thanks all,

I think I'll avoid doing anything EXACTLY the same and will probably add a mental effect I've been working on. No offense taken, Iven ... I appreciate honest advice and candor. I can't stop now though ... I'm hooked ... Smile Seriously, though, Ive given the subject of when to perform and the posibble consequences (embarrassment, exposure, etc) a lot of thought ... whats right for me I think, is to do a few things very well (instead of more things not as well) ... at least for now. Did any of that make any sense? LOL

Thanks again!

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It does depend on the effect. Some effects can be repeated immediately, but any effect which relies on misdirection (the majority) to conceal something is not a good repeat item because they will be looking at your other hand, not the ball/silk etc which is appearing.

However, people's memories are short. Give it a day, a few hours , or even an hour (eg at a restaurant) and you can generally perform it again effectively. I think the key thing is suprise. Don't say "I'll do the one again where the blue ball disappears in my right hand and the red one appears in my left." Just slot it casually into the routine. That may seem obvious but if you do it again immediately after, then you might as well be saying that.
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Even when an effect can be repeated immediately, the key issue is WHY the spectator wants to see the trick again. If a spectators says, "That was great! Can you show that trick to my Uncle Joe?". In that case, if the trick is "truly" repeatable (ie. it does not rely on the same force card or something), then by all means repeat the trick. In that case, the original spectator's intention is simply to share the magic with others. Although he may see the same effect again, his intention is not to try and figure out the secret. Even in this situation, however, if you can vary the effect or method, it would be best.

However, if the spectator simply says, "Show that to me again!" his intentions are entirely different. In that case, he has understood the trick to be a puzzle or a challenge and is trying to figure it out. There is absolutely no benefit for you in repeating the trick in that circumstance.

Instead, your long term goal should be to create a situation where you can avoid the puzzle or challenge mentality altogether by elevating the impact of your effects. This is much easier said than done, especially in a close up setting when you are performing in front of people you know. I hope that helps.

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It's also a good idea to keep your eye out for effects that are designed to have a "repeat" in them, like Red Hot Mama.

Then again, some effects can be repeated with very little worry, like the ID.
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Similarly, I would think about trying to find effects which have similar (or more intense) impacts, like posters above me have said. If you do some kind of transpo effect, see if you know another one that achieves the same general idea (cards switch places under impossible circumstances,) but with a different kicker (i.e. two switch instead of one, etc.)

For the Ashes on Arm effect, for example, can you think of another way to reveal the selected card? Try something fire-themed, to keep things similar to the idea of using ashes--your spectators probably aren't going to be too picky about it. Not only do you avoid having to repeat an effect, but you also get the chance to engineer your own personal touches to many routines, which is really a lot of fun and a great way for you to get a better feel for your own style of performance.
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When the same people wanna see the trick again, I think its cos they wanna try and catch when the move was made, etc. Thus, if I were to repeat the trick, I would try to do it differently but with the same end effect.

this way, you are "repeating" the effect and not the trick I guess.

for tricks that I do not know how to repeat with a different handling, I usually tell them that they have seen nothing and that I have a better one and with that I switch to another trick. By the end of that, they might have already forgotten abt the first one.

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I always try to avoid repeating tricks. And I tell the people why: When I first show a trick, they enjoy the performance (well I hope). When they see the trick for a second time, the performance is old, so they only want to focus on the trick. But I want to keep the secret, so that I can amaze them on an other day. Most of them accept this explanation.

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If its been a little while I'll repeat a trick. Peoples attention span seems so short as to only remeber something magical happened. When I was shown my first T.T. trick about five times I almost became emotionally unstable. every time I saw it I understood less.
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I agree with the other guys on this topic. A repeat must be done with caution, and if someone says 'show me that again' I take it as a compliment, because the effect/trick must have had the desired result.
A time delay and the advantage of suprise is a good idea, and don't be tempted to be riding on the crest of your success and show it again without care.
I often have to find myself saying...'if you liked that, then look at this' or 'let me show you something a little different'.
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I rarely repeat tricks, but I love repeating tricks... 6 card repeat, lotus bowl, etc.
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The simplest rule of thumb is to have at least 24 hours go by before repeating a routine for someone who has seen it before. Oddly, the ones most likely to be able to adhere to this rule are those not working professionally and the ones that are most likely to need to follow the rule. That's not a jab at the non pro. Generally speaking the people I hate to work for are family and friends. Why? Because, you are much more likely to be treating badly! Odd, but true. Familiarity in this case does breed a kind of contempt for the proformer that is almost never seen in professional venues.

Just follow the rules:

#1- Never tell how it's done

#2- Never repeat a trick (generally) for the same audience during the same immediate time frame.

#3- Never tell your audience what you are going to do before you do it, which is a corrollary of #2.

Best,
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Great advice, magicsarge. I usually avoid repeating the same trick by showing them a different trick. This usually satisfies their desire to see the first trick again.
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If you get into the situation of constantly being asked to "Do it again", a great way to deal with that is to have an alternate method of producing the same result. This can actually strengthen the original presentation, etc. Most major effects have numerous methods of achieving the same goal and a little work can give you some fine alternate presentations.

In thinking back another method that I have used is more semantic in nature. Every once in a while when working professionally I would get asked to repeat some presentation. Depending on the situation...and assuming that for whatever reason I just don't want to repeat that effect and have no alternate method...I would say the following, "No problem...watch, I'll do it this way." From there I would proceed to do a compeletely different effect! In almost every case the audience would forget that I was asked to repeat the trick before. Here is one little twist that helps: If at all possible start the second effect the same way as the first. This is easier if it is something like a 'pick a card' routine, but there are other possiblities also. Best,
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But if the trick you do can be figured out I would suggest you not do it again.


There's always someone who yells...do it again!, do it again! ;-)
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Obviously it's been a while since this thread was posted, and I have no idea how many topics have addressed this issue since then, but:

I do a lot of walk around, close up magic, so I get this a lot.

My favorite response is, "I have something better", and you go on to your next routine. This is sort of staged, because I start with things that are quick and easy like rubber band magic or coins across, then lead into my stronger material.

It works great.
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If the tricks are carefully constructed into a full set of routine or series of routines, the problem of spectators requesting for repeats maybe effectively solved as the heats are off on one particular trick. Also, if a trick utilises enough misdirections then it should be safe to perform to audiences who has seen it previously, provided it is not an immediate repetition.
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