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There are different ways of painting the jacket. and one can even get rust colored paint. if one would want it to look old/rusty.
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I would stick with Ian's. You do not want to be going around with Takeda handcuffs flapping around.
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Well I own neither so a futur purchase is down the road. I like the idea of having a choice and lean towards stainless, but I do think regular would look good brushed and painted stove black. Can you picture that? A rel iron sort of look.

To be completly honest though, when I make the plunge it will be a combination of steel and heavy canvas with re enforced leather. I don't want to do what all the other several hundred steel or stainless owners are doing.

I encourage each individual to go a step further and have one custom built so yours hasn't been seen before. Take whatever you like steel or stainless and go to the builder to get one only you have. Make sense?
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Hi, thanks for everyone who has bought one of my Steel strait jackets. And for the favourable comments and those others comments which are noted, and food for thought. (and maybe I could interest you in getting one)

As my website says, I make custom made items and I make what I call stock items. The SSJ was made as stock item. As pictured at the Cannon's site was the generic jacket, the most popular design ( based on the TC Houdini movie jacket because this is the one most audiences can relate to)

I chose to make it from mild steel as it was easy for me to work with and didn’t require special welding. It could be plated, left natural, painted, aged, blackened etc. More versatile than stainless steel and cheaper. And if it even needed some type of repairs, hinges, hasps etc, any machine shop could assist. (saves sending it all the way back to Australia, especially if your show is the next day)

Some of my customers either needed something different or wanted something different. As each item is hand made, I have made alterations to suit the needs of the individuals. I do this with many of my items.

Most people are happy to a purchase an “off the shelf’ item ( custom made to suit their size though ) Apart from the items in my catalogue or the bigger and better (and color) Cannon’s catalogue , I make many other items to a customers wants and desires. Many send a photo, picture or their own hand drawn design and with consultation with them, I built what they require.

If someone comes to me with an idea or design of an item which is already being produced, I send them to where it is available.

As to rusting, like all things they need maintenance, just like a car or washing machine. And I would never used WD40. Fish oil please (LOL)

Thank you

Ian McColl
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I think what I like about it is that it looks more 'straightforward,' especially the wrist binding. It is also a near copy of the one used in the Houdini film (1953); which I always found visually impressive.

Finishes: When I eventually obtain one (and I will), my plan is to deliberately weather it, letting a light layer of rust form; clean it off (soft cloth), then spray the whole thing with a coat of clear Rustoleum. This maintains the rusted, patina look without allowing further rusting.

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I guess this is how Tucker felt against the big "3"
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Richard Sherry is a Great Guy. He Helps out Gives Advice and Helps one out when Asked. this here is a personal Prefrence. not only is RS SSJ made out of Stainless but it does come with Handcuffs as well. as I'm sure Ians can do as well. picking one out is Personal Prefrence. its just like buying a CAr buy the one you will be Happy With.
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Well said Donster.

Fred
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Thank you Don for your very kind words.

Richard
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I have put a photo of the McColl SSJ that Mr Sherry purchased through Cannon's Great Escapes and had nickel plated next to his variation of it that he made in Stainless steel. Both look good but as neither was ever a mainstream item, my mind keeps coming back to the Tony Curtis jacket that I am familar with.

My compliments to him for his work, I know the difficulties in making SSJ I
when I started making them several years ago that I had have a finished product to use as a guide. I could have saved many hours.

Ian McColl
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Hi Richard,

Never mind. You are not Tucker and Ian is only one, not 'The Big Three".

There needs to be more variety out there or pretty soon every one doing an escape act will be nothing more than clones of the other people who are also working with the exact same props.

Constantly shifting offerings made by different makers will benefit everyone in the long run. Too bad some simply cannot seem to see this but I guess the people running the only show in town would like to keep it that way as it benefits them financially.

Steve Santini
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Hello out there!!
My jacket was fashioned after the Pomeroy Challenge Steel Straight Jacket.
Ian's jacket is fashioned after the Dunninger jacket.The two jackets are VERY different in look and presentation.I own two very different steel jackets and use them differently depending on my act.I am deeply disturbed by what is going on here.Maybe everyone should have stuck with the model "T".I had Ians jacket plated because I liked the look.It gets much more compliments then it did in its original finish and there is little upkeep.Ian had personally commented on it to me via e-mail that he liked it.
Fred sorry for all this nonsense.Go with what suits your style.

Richard

Thank you Steve Santini for all your kind words and support.
Richard
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It's too bad all you guys know how to get out of straight jackets, because THIS is an insane asylum!!!!

Or so FredSaid.
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I don't know if the big three is an appropriate term but in message posted. >Handcuff help needed.Posted: Jan 2, 2004 9:05pm quote. While there may be people out there like Ian (and even myself) who make t------d locks, cuffs and the like and there may be suppliers like the Cannons (and the EARL) out there who offer such props to the trade, such locks, cuffs, sweat boxes, or whatever do not ammount (sic) to a hill of beans unless the person purchasing them knows how to entertain with them in an effective way. And this is where the art is sadly lacking. People getting into escapes are being lured into what I call "the magic store trap". By this I mean that they are being offered mass produced and marketed escape products just like one is offered illusions in a magic store ……..<

Maybe the same "magic store trap" view is still held by the author but it appears to be a contridiction to the new view
quote" Constantly shifting offerings made by different makers will benefit everyone in the long run." By Mr santini ,which suggests more store bought goods.

I would be very happy to see many more "different" ideas being produced by different people, than copies and variations of the same things. However that being said as most escape artists don't perform outside of a give demographic the appearance of duplication is lessened. Like some magic tricks “zombie ball and coin through cigarette ( come to mind) which appear on TV and then everyone is doing it. There shouldn’t be any fear here.

Like most niche business’s, they are a niche because there isn’t a large market out there. If only one maker made 20 of a given item each year and then another 19 people started doing the same thing. Then maybe each business would only sell one item. There business would soon close.

Competitiveness through pricing is another factor, to grab a foothold in a new market, cheaper prices are usually offered and don’t reflect the costs involved in running the business and are only there as a bait for new customers. If the new business is lucky to establish a foothold and maintain the cheaper prices, quality falls. The old business goes under and the customer looses out in the long run.
There is more to the business than selling props here as it being thrashed out by Mr. Santini naively. As any maker can attest, many unseen hours of research and development go into making specialist gear. Many dollars are spent on hardware, locks and handcuffs which are just chopped up and destroyed in the process of designing and making something new and very useable to suit the needs of the customers in general.

I all my years I have seen many come and go and for two main reasons. Firstly the desire for the dollar, being a niche market some consider it an area to exploit to earn a few dollars only to realise that there isn’t a wealth of money to be made.

Secondly is the lack of dedication. Many of the inquiries require heaps of behind the scenes work. Example. A call comes in from a television company wanting to make a documentary and requiring a particular cuff. To be able to help them within their time frame, calls go out to many other people in the business who can assist, lend or hire an item. This then shipped to the customers, the return of the items is then also followed up.

Example 2, An escape artist requires other performers for a big stage show that has been trust upon them in short amount of time, again the network of trusted and reliable performance are approached via many emails and phone calls.

Most of this dedication to helping out those in the art of escape is not paid for or known but it is there. Newcomers to the field are unaware of the expectations of the seasoned performers.

I personally have had phone calls in the middle of the night from EA’s in desperate need of a product to fulfill a contract in only days and have had to make phone calls around the world looking for a customer I know I have sold an item to who lives close enough to get it there in time. Or I have had to work through a few nights and days just to meet the deadline.

The lack of undertsanding of this business by Mr Santini who calls himself a seasoned performer is outstanding. He’d be the type of guy to undercut the price of another performer just to get a few dollars.

In my business it is the needs of the my customers which come first, I could go back to locksmithing tomorrow if I wanted money and with less stress.

And to all of my customers or those who have purchased my products through Cannon’s Great Escapes and especially to those who I have called in the middle of the night for help.

Thank you

Regards

Ian McColl
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Ian, that was probably the BEST posting I have ever read at this forum. It was clear, logical, truthful and to the point. I have seen your work, I have never seen Santini's. I have heard other people applaude your work and I have never heard a word about Santini's. You are world renowned for your work, Santini..?

~Rick~
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Good job Woody! Puppet man can speak.
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Is this thread about buying a straight jacket or more a bashing session? Maybe I was wrong to want other people's opinions. I think in the future I will sort it through within my head as opposed to opening up this sort of thing. I didn't intend for it to go down this path. There is no need to insult other people's ideas.

I'm sorry that everyone here doesn't get along and that those who don't get along feel the need to openly and publicly 'jab' each other. Why not just leave each other alone? Just an idea. It's a big world out there.

Fred.
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I'm also aware Ian is putting you up to all your negativity. You slipped up and mention somthing only he would know.

Got it?
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Take note: I never said there should not be choices; there should.

I just said I preferred the McColl SSJ, and why.

There are several of Mr. Sherry's items I like as well, notably his Water Torture Tank.

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Thanks for the message Ian. Its good to know what you are.
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