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Some time ago a Magician was talking to the audience about the Mystical connection of a poker deck of cards and the passing of a year as it related to our own planet. That is, the four suits/four seasons, 52 cards/52 weeks in a year, 12 face cards/12 months, 365 spots on the deck/365 days in a year etc...

Counting one spot for each value (Ace=1 King=13 don't count index spots) I can only count 364 spots. Is this just "Artistic License"? Or is the audience just supposed to believe what they are told and don't ask questions.
What brought this to mind was a song I heard on the radio from the 50's sung by Wink Martindale (I did not know that he sang). It was stated that Wink Martindale while in the Military was sitting in Church during the service and while other's had their Bible's out Wink had a deck of cards out and was going through them one by one. Wink was chastised by his commanding Sergeant and told to put the cards away. After the service was over Wink was taken before the Commanding Officer for possible disciplinary action. Wink explained to the Officer that while in the field of battle he had no Bible but instead used a deck of cards to remind him of various versus in the Bible. Ace= One God, 2= The Heaven and Earth, 3= The Trinity so on and so fourth ending with 365 spots on the deck and 365 days in the year.
Sounds nice but it just doesn't fit and I am the type of person that believes that if something like this is to teach a lesson then ALL information must be correct or else everything is suspect. I do believe in "Artistic License" but not when teaching something that is considered to be important. A little lie can do much to discredit the lesson being taught.
Anyway, Wink got out of trouble with his Commanding Officer who was impressed with the young soldier's knowledge and commitment to the Scriptures.
For reason's I am not sure of myself, I just had to get this off of my chest and I hope to hear some feedback on this babble of mine.
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By the way, Wink Martindale says that this story is True.
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I've heard the record where Wink tells that story, it may or may not be true. With a little bit of work, I think there is a nice "sam the bellhop" style routine to be had there.
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Irosall,
you must be listening to that XM radio again to hear a Wink Martindale song on the radio in 2005! LOL. Anyway, its a mistake. I've heard this before and wondered the same thing, never thought about it again until I read this post so I looked on the net. I found a site that showed an old (much older than the 50's) version of this story. In this one they addressed the mistake. You can see the document at this site. Around the last paragraph on the second page, check out the explanation. Its as if someone realized the mistake and just threw in a lame excuse..LOL. In the Martindale version they just gloss over it.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/playing-cards/images/prayer-book.jpg
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I think the song predates Martindale. Tex Ritter comes to mind.
And of course the story is claimed to be true, that's the punch line.
Thinking about it - the total of the pips must be devisable by four.
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I considered the Joker but it seems that there are two but I will accept Reis O'Brien's answer.

Yes VANDY You are correct, that darn ol' XM Radio, I can't listen enough (I record while I'm sleeping at night). I am buying the boombox version so I can listen outside without headphones (only $6.00 a month more).
Thanks for the JPEG it confirms what I suspected all along, not a true story (at least for Wink Martindale. I met Wink when I was working the "front door" of Circus Vargas in 1977 and he seems too young for the Korea Conflict (which would have to be the War that he served in).

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On 2005-01-18 15:53, irossall wrote:
I met Wink when I was working the "front door" of Circus Vargas in 1977 and he seems too young for the Korea Conflict (which would have to be the War that he served in).


Correction! Upon reflection of my above statement and visualizing the scene, I realized that it was not Wink Martindale that I met it was Tom Kennedy (also a game show host but I don't think he is a singer).

Anyway just in case anyone may be interested I did a search on the Internet and found the lyrics to the song so here they are. Maybe there is a Gospel routine in here. Enjoy!
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Wink Martindale
Dot 45-15968
(T. Texas Tyler) American Music BMI

NARRATIVE:
During the North African campaign, a bunch of soldier boys had
been on a long hike and they arrived in a little town called Casino. The
next morning being Sunday, several of the boys went to Church. A sergeant
commanded the boys in Church and after the Chaplain had read the prayer,
the text was taken up next. Those of the boys who had a prayer book took
them out, but this one boy had only a deck of cards, and so he spread
them out. The Sergeant saw the cards and said, "Soldier, put away those
cards." After the services was over, the soldier was taken prisoner and
brought before the Provost Marshall.

The Marshall said, "Sergeant, why have you brought this man
here?" "For playing cards in church, Sir." "And what have you to say for
yourself, son?" "Much, Sir," replied the soldier. The Marshall said, "I
hope so, for if not I shall punish you more than any man was ever
punished." The soldier said, "Sir, I have been on the march for about six
days. I have neither a Bible nor a prayer book, but I hope to satisfy
you, Sir, with the purity of my intentions." And with that, the boy
started his story:

"You see Sir, when I look at the Ace, it reminds me that there
is but one God. And the Deuce reminds me that the Bible is divided into
two parts, the Old and the New Testaments. When I see the Trey, I think
of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And when I see the Four, I
think of the four Evangelists who preached the Gospel; there was Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John. And when I see the Five, it reminds me of the five
wise virgins who trimmed their lamps; there were ten of them: five were
wise and were saved, five were foolish and were shut out. When I see the
Six, it reminds me that in six days, God made this great heaven and
earth. When I see the Seven, it reminds me that on the seventh day, God
rested from His great work. And when I see the Eight, I think of the
eight righteous persons God saved when He destroyed this earth; there was
Noah, his wife, their sons and their wives. And when I see the Nine, I
think of the lepers our Savior cleansed, and nine out of the ten didn't
even thank Him. When I see the Ten, I think of the Ten Commandments God
handed down to Moses on a table of stone. When I see the King, it
reminds me that there is but one King of Heaven, God Almighty. And when I
see the Queen, I think of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is Queen of
Heaven. And the Jack or Knave is the Devil. When I count the number
of spots on a deck of cards, I find 365, the number of days in a year.
There are 52 cards, the number of weeks in a year. There are 4 suits, the
number of weeks in a month. There are 12 picture cards, the number of
months in a year. There are 13 tricks, the number of weeks in a quarter.
So you see, Sir, my pack of cards serves me as a Bible, an Almanac and a
Prayer Book."

"And friends, the story is true. I know, I was that soldier."

Lyrics downloaded from another site and verified by Little John.
These lyrics are for the specific recording referenced above,
and are for personal use and research interest only.


From eLyrics4U.com Song Lyrics Search
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I believe Jeff McBride has a routine like this at the end of Volume 3 of his card manipulations tapes.
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Isn't it because the extra one is used for leap year?
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All this math is giving me a headahce.
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OK, I just watched Jeff McBride's video again last night. The answer is the Joker. You can also read the explanation in David Blaine's book. Chapter 4 I believe.

This leads me to another question then. When did card companies start putting in 2 jokers?
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On 2005-01-20 09:12, Alniner wrote:
OK, I just watched Jeff McBride's video again last night. The answer is the Joker. You can also read the explanation in David Blaine's book.


If I'm not mistaken, the earliest versions of the story pre-date jokers all together. It's a nice,convenient way to wrap it up in the modern day, but much like the alamanac excuse it's lame. To make the story work some justification is needed because it never adds up to 365. Its just a matter of which lame justification you wish to use.
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I never thought about predating the Joker. Good reasoning. Unless he counted the ace on the front of the box or something. I agree far toomuch thought to get one spot.
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Yeah, but remember..there are 24 hours in a day and...24...beers in a case!
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Did you count the pips on the royals Smile fashion can be so frustrating
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On 2005-01-20 09:12, Alniner wrote:
When did card companies start putting in 2 jokers?


One day two jokers got put into a pack by mistake. The guy who happened to get that particular pack was not only in the Mafia, but he was an avid gambler. He was so thrilled upon finding TWO jokers in his pack, he went directly to the card company and told the president his thoughts on the matter. Obviously, the president had no choice but to listen to the mobster, and ever since then, there have been TWO jokers in a pack.
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There's a big pip on the front of a bicycle box, you could count that.
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Plus if you just did bill to lemon you might have a few extra pips!
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