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felixjr Loyal user 221 Posts |
Ok, so you've finally bought your set of Linking Rings and want to start learning all the moves and things you can with them to impress your friends and cause your wife to roll her eyes, once again. What do you learn first? Do you have to clean them after each use? Is there a proper way to store them?
Your thoughts, advice, oppinions please... Thanks in advance, Felixjr |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Answers from a brilliant man:
Make them link, only if you want them to be clean, indoors. There are of course others who can answer more properly, my set cost $15.00, so I don't do much more than hang 'em up, Find a good video/book, there are too many to count. I say Celini
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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richardl New user 22 Posts |
I like the Vernon linking rings. It is also on the Dai Vernon Revelations dvd. Watching it makes sense because as he explains in the video he mentions something to the effect that other linking ring routines did not look natural because of the way the rings where held. And that statement is true.
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ClouDsss Inner circle 1799 Posts |
IMO clean the rings regularly as you wan them to shine so that the spec can see them properly. its quite easy to clean anyway....not much of an effort but it can differentiate btw a professional who cares for his props and appearance, and one that appears sloppy in front of specs
I learnt mine with shoot ogawas's ninja rings dvd..good stuff.. I store my rings in a box. b4 putting them in the box I usually wrap them with a microfiber cloth cheerios
Think outside the box, cos people are all thinking inside now!! - ClouDsss
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rvigon Loyal user uk 266 Posts |
Are there ne good dvd sourses 4 the linkeing rings
"No brilliance is required in magic, just determination and relatively clean fingernails."
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eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
I would really try to learn fron a video/dvd rather than a book.
The moves sound silly when read, and some are very complicated, but actually seeing them linked and unlinked shows they do work. It helps with timing too. |
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dan84 Loyal user 251 Posts |
AS Richardi says the Vernon revelations vol4 I think is great for the linking rings and you get the advice straight from the Professor.
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Jailhouse Jonny New user 81 Posts |
25 Amazining Magic Tricks and Tips with Linking Rings by Hampton Ridge is a good video to start. Mine was about $10.00 for a VHS tape. It's available at many magic shops. For $10.00 it is a prety good staring point. I pulled out my set from Mom's attic and have beem getting back into them. This video helped me. I'm now looking to get the Chris Capehart video. Man, dose he do a great link!
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oldwilson_2000 New user Germany 77 Posts |
On Roger Klause performs and explains his routine "Chinese Quartet" on his video/DVD "Encore Performance". You can see a demo here:
http://www.mymagic.com/wmv/trailer-klause-2-encore-240.wmv |
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Parson Smith Inner circle 1937 Posts |
I used to think that a six or seven ring routine was ideal.
But I don't think that it gets any better than Roger's 4 ring routine.
Here kitty, kitty,kitty.
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jack_is_dead Regular user japan 173 Posts |
I got my ring today too..well its good info for me as well
one eyed man is the king in the blind land
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Bill Douglas New user El Paso, TX 90 Posts |
The Greater Magic video is a good source. It has 4-5 different magicians presenting and teaching their routines. 25 Amazing...video is good too, because you are sort of required to form your own routine. Personally, of all I have seen I like Al Schneider's routine on the new LLPub DVD set. His is short and to the point. A false count (one of the best taken from an older Ken Brooke count) some links and unlinks, some multiple ring stuff, and a false count to end. bahdabing..badaboom.
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Hello:
I'd like to through a wrench in the topic and suggest that ANY Linking Ring routine that does not involve the audience seemingly examining ALL the rings used (remember,'seemingly') is mere fancy juggling to the Lay audience. They KNOW that there is a 'gap' in the rings somewhere, but the magician/juggler is too clever to let it show. Ergo I highly suggest that you first learn a classic 8 ring routine. The best I have seen is the Lewis Ganson routine in Routined Manipulations #1 book. The affect upon an audience is pure magic. Properly performed it appears as if all 8 rings have been handed out. For a finale you link all 8 rings in one long contiguous chain. I have performed this routine for over 35 years and have gotten standing o's on the finale. The book is still available out of D.Robbins in New York. Although I am not carrying it at the moment I know that other dealers must be. Steven's in Wichita, KS would be a good try. Best,
Brad Burt
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
Well, Brad. I'm simply going to have to disagree with you. I NEVER hand out my apparatus, clean or not. I don't like the precedent. Here I show them this then they will wonder why I won't let them hold my Zombie. No, I'm not there to compete with them and see if they can burn me. I'm there to entertain. If they want to be entertained then I will suggest to them that they sit back and enjoy the show. Otherwise, I find others who DO want to be entertained. That's the beauty of doing volunteer work. Everyone knows that I'm there to entertain them.
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Bill Douglas New user El Paso, TX 90 Posts |
I agree with Brad that the Ganson routine is good. I have the book(s) also. I believe that it was from Routine Manip. 2 "Finale" that I learned Ken Brooke's count. I personally just like the brevity of Schneider's routine. I like a lot of stuff Jeff McBride teaches on his Stage Magic series.(which is another excellent teaching source for the rings). I know the Ganson routine is not incredibly long either but it didn't suit my style so I didn't study it for very long (I guess I could put more of me into it instead of trying to make "it" fit me).
The main jest of this thread is to help felixjr in his learning process, so I'll summarize with a list: Routined Manipulations Books Jeff McBrides-Magic on Stage tape #1 Greater Magic Linking Rings tape Al Schneider's DVD #4 Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic Tarbell's Course 25 Amazing Tricks with the Linking Rings Tarbell's, Mark Wilson, and Jeff McBrides stuff all contain lots of other fabulous magic that would be a boon to learn. Felixjr only you can decide. I think a source like the Routined Manip books, Wilson, McBride, Tarbells etc...are good because you get more than just the rings, and if you learn 1 or 2 other good routines you've gotten more for your money. |
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jonesc2ii Loyal user Oxford, England 235 Posts |
I learned mainly from Jeff McBride Magic on Stage DVD aswell. I actually don't think that McBride's performance is anything like perfect but you can learn what doesn't work for you as well as what does from watching other magicians working.
I work mainly for kids at the moment so I would say that for me, and for my audience, any more than three rings is a nonsense. OK so here's a solid object which penetrates and links with another solid ring. Then they magically unlink. Ultimately that's it, that's the end of the trick, repeating it several more times with ever more elaborate patter does nothing to enhance the wonder of that first penetration. So I use three rings, one links then unlinks, I then link them again using a different and seemingly more subtle technique, I introduce a third ring and link all three, unlink them, have a spectator join in, link all three including the one in the hands of the spectator and then unlink all three. What could possibly be achieved by introducing more rings? So I have five redundant rings! As Bill says, the McBride DVD, the Tarbell course and Mark Wilson's Complete Course also offer a lot of other useful stuff and I would highly recommend them all.
www.ixyl.co.uk/forums - for when you fancy a debate or a quiet chat.
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pepijn Regular user Utrecht (the netherlands) 134 Posts |
I once saw a man in thailand perform linking rings, trying to sell them and I watched him perform it a couple of times, he did it so increadibly that I really couldn't believe, that these were in fact 'normall' linking rings, but the were.
I was so impressed you really couldn't see or figure it out. I knew how it had to work but didn't have a clue when he would do the move, it was absolutly astonishing. , I know it's a little of topic but I just wanted to share that, Pepijn, ps. it was done with four rings and it was his own routine. |
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Steven Steele Chief of Staff 1868 Posts |
Brad,
With all due respect, I too (along with TexAustin) have to disagree with you. Many years ago I demonstrated the linking rings in a magic shop. I would often sell a few sets after the demonstration and someone always brought the rings back and asked for a refund claiming that the set that I sold them had some rings welded together and one was broken with a space in it. They demanded that I sell them a set that was like the one I used, all separate, but able to link. I would take them into the back room to see my set and you should have seen their expressions when they saw it. They couldn't believe that I could have done what I did with those rings. I just told them, "practice". And to the rest of you readers, As to the number of rings to use, that is an individual decision. The Professor killed with six, Ross killed with three, and Whit Haydn's routine with 4 is a classic. Cellini is great with two, Jack Miller used 5, and Gansen used 8. They are all notable and classic presentations. You have to find what works for you. Each presentation has its own advantages. I really have no preference whether I learn by DVD or book. Most of the better routines are in books and there is more information in a book than you will usually find in a DVD. Again, to say one if better than another is really just a personal preference. I do much better with a book for a couple of reasons. One, you learn easier from a book because you have to work harder to understand the information. Watching a video is passive in comparison. I find I have to watch a video several times to understand the technical aspects of an effect, where I only have to read an effect once, with cards in hand, to get a good grasp of it. Again, your mileage may vary. The second reason I prefer a book is that it causes me to develop an effect more around my personality. I tend to emulate the performer on the video unless I really work at it. Which book to use? All the information in the previous posts are very valid. Keep in mind that most of the material will teach you a routine, which is an excellent place to start. I have several in my library. However, as a point of reference, I also have Fitzkee's "Rings In Your Fingers" that is a collection of moves (e.g, counting, 2 ring links, etc.). I wouldn't be without it, regardless of which routine I was working on.
Coram Deo
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
Steven, the Ross performance that I saw had 8 (or maybe six, but I think 8). Cellini has a 3 ring performance. Quite good, both. I believe that Chris Capehart had a 3 ring. Actually, what the heck, it just doesn't matter, does it?
The number of rings, the speed, McBride is energetic, Ross and Cellini both are slow and graceful. Ross is silent to music. Cellini has a voice over introduction, some have a complete patter. Some is comedy, others are serious. The only think that they all have in common is practice and skill. And Steven, that's all it takes. In fact, it doesn't even take skill - the practice will bring that. |
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magiccarpet New user 59 Posts |
A nice Ring routine is in Marvels of Mystery by John Booth. It uses all eight rings.
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